No adult content of any kind allowed on mainland?

Hi all, I just noticed this:

Adult Regions, Groups, and Listings
Second Life is an adult community, but 'Adult' content, activity and communication are not permitted on the Second Life 'mainland.' Such material is permitted on private regions, or on the Adult Continent, Zindra. In either case, any Adult content, activity, or communication, that falls under our Adult Maturity Definition must be on regions designated as 'Adult,' and will be filtered from non-verified accounts. Other regions may be designated as either 'Mature' or 'PG.' For more information on how to designate land, events, groups, and classified listings, please carefully read the 'Maturity Definitions.'

Not sure that I am reading this right. Does this mean no adult stuff of any kind allowed on mainland?

A definition of "Adult" was not spelled out in the CS itself, it calls out to the KB for the definition being used. In there, it is clarified that it has to be public to require placement on adult land. LL support has since confirmed that too.

But don't let that fact get in the way of a good old fashioned irrational freakout, there have been a few threads of that already and they're kind of amusing.

On reading it, I'd call it a rational freak out.

Let's say that we define "noun" as:

A noun is a word denoting:
* a person
* a place
* a thing

If I then point at a doorknob and ask you if that is a noun, will you say "yes" on the premise that a doorknob is "a thing"? A doorknob is not a noun under that definition, because it's missing an essential quality of that definition. A doorknob is not a word, it is a doorknob.

As long as the CS does not include definitions of what it considers "adult", people will assume the common sense definition of the word. Whether that is irrational is a matter of opinion.

Not freakin' out. Just confused.

Sighs...

Don't worry you're not alone, it's bloody annoying and frustrating, I haven't felt like building stuff or doing much until I at least know where I will live in SL or if I am allowed to live here on what I thought where agreed terms, etc.. It wears people down.

It'll all pan out, things always do.

so in other words it is allowed in mature as long as it is not out in the open or advertised in anyway that leads people to your land??

That's what some say. I am unsure. Some seem very sure, but I do not follow their logic (doorknobs?, Nouns?). For the moment I will stay confused. Maybe even more confused.

there was another thread about this and i went through all those sections over and over and could not find anything that spoke of private sexual content..only about advertised content and activities that are adult content in the KB having to be on adult rated lands..

the best thing to do to be sure for yourself would be talk with support..

myself after reading..i believe it is allowed on mature if it is out of sight and on your own private land..
but i'm not gonna tell anyone to go off of what i say..i would just ask support to be sure ..

Second Life is an adult community, but 'Adult' content, activity and communication are not permitted on the Second Life 'mainland.' Such material is permitted on private regions, or on the Adult Continent, Zindra.

This seems very specific to me. Hence my confusion. Support opinions can vary depending upon who answers the phone in my experience. Still, I guess someone needs to try to pin this down. Suggestions on the best path to take (or better yet, volunteers.)

Also notice that Zindra does not apear to be considered "mainland" by LL. What the bleep is it then?

well the confusing part for me was actually two thing..

when the speak of mainland they call it second life mainland..Zindra is mainland also..
so it's hard to say if they are talking about safe zones..

it goes on to say it is allowed on private regions which is just another word for land..not sim..a region can be a 512 lot..
and if it does not fall under the adult maturity definitions it doesn't have to be on adult rated land..

if you read the adult maturity definitions..it only speaks about advertised content and activities..mainly about lands and businesses that will be using the search for their content activities groups and events..things like that..nothing about resident private homes not using the search..
if you are not using the mature search to show adult content and using it for private use out of site..my opinion is it is allowed.. because it does not fall under the adult maturity definitions as they say in the CS..
confusing huh? lol

Since when does the content of our COMMUNICATIONS also fall under the auspices of the PG/Mature/Zindra classifications? All the official information about Zindra has always been about animations, textures, visual imagery, never once your speech either in text or in Voice. Speech which can easily be private, after all chat only extends for 20 meters and it's very easy to create a private area that's larger than that. Also of course IM's are communication as well. But now we can't even talk dirty to each other without having LL step in and calling it inappropriate content?

Clearly I was right when I said that everybody on the entire grid belongs on what was then called Ursula. Since we are all adults we should all be on that continent, no matter what type of avatar we are using.

Confusing is right. I tend to view regions as meaning sims by the way. Noticed that they put mainland in quotes. What the hell is that about? It seems like they are trying to put Zindra as a special case, outside of "mainland." Hence, a private estate or game within a game, where special rules apply.

Thinking that they are making this all up as we proceed.

I agree, we bought Zindra rated land. Even those who choose PG were able to rate up to mature...if they so decided.

Actualy in lindenspeak a region is another word for sim so private region revers to a sim on a private estate.

(nobody said lindenspeak was logical)

I submitted a ticket over the weekend, specifically asking about non commercial activity, and non sexual nudity. This was the response:



LL has a habit of making vague policies so that they cannot be gamed. But the way the Communty Standards read, its almost like they want to encourage the emptying of the current mainland.

I think (hope) that the reference to adult communication is possibly for roadside ads, or group notices. (Potentially still frightening.)

Likely any "hey they pixel-bump" ARs would be done as a land grab effort rather than someone offended by a bare ankle.

if you go through the adult maturity definitions and see what they are referring to..you will see it refers to only people that would be letting others in sl know they have adult content on their land..

in the CS if they were going to seperate mainland why would they not call it mainland instead of second life mainland..

the only place they can have adult content is one adult rated regions in zindra..because there is gov lands on zindra that are public as well as the pg and mature..
so it is not allowed everywhere on zindra..

i would give a good close read on the adult maturity definitions..but also still speak with someone at support ..maybe see if they have something to confirm it is ok or not..
maybe they can clear up the CS and what they are really saying..

i mean when you look on mainland land sale section on the web site..it lists every size as a region..

as you said ..they may have thrown this together real quick ..i think soon as zindra calms down they may rewrite it..atleast i hope they do lol

this is what i go from


Mainland Pricing & Fees
Additional Land
(over 512 sqm)
Parcel Size
Prims per Parcel
(approximate)
Monthly Land Use fee*
1/128 Region 512 sqm 117 US$5
1/64 Region 1,024 sqm 234 US$8
1/32 Region 2,048 sqm 468 US$15
1/16 Region 4,096 sqm 937 US$25
1/8 Region 8,192 sqm 1,875 US$40
1/4 Region 16,384 sqm 3,750 US$75
1/2 Region 32,768 sqm 7,500 US$125
Entire Region 65,536 sqm 15,000 US$195

They are moreso refering to businesses/clubs etc. I have heard a couple of Lindens say they aren't going to suspend ou you for usng poseballs in your home.
Then again if you chose to engage in X-rated acts in the open next to an infohub or main road and start collecting a bunch of AR's you may have an issue.

"Common Sense..........Any rarer and it would be a Goddamn Superpower"

No, doorknob is what we call it - its name is Cyril.

Ref: Lewis Caroll - The White Knight and Alice.

You're not bogged down in a Logica Data Structure are you?

Just imagine the grey area caused by escorts who pick up clients in clubs (in either Zindra or estates) but work them in their private homes on mature mainland?