Cartel (forum) Group Notices.

I second that Rioko!

I think that sounds like a great idea...kind of like a mall or flea market. There is always the option of creating some type of e-zine with ads too.

Personally agree about Madhu , and any similar invites.

As for your question, I think two notices are perfect. One to announce, another to remind. Just my opinion of course.

That sounds perfect, CX. Friday's notice gives me the head's up...and Sunday's notice reminds me to find that new swimsuit!

I'd even like to see forum party notices sent out about things like that because I would not have known without Maureen's awesome social planner skills! LOL

I'm going to start pushing my RL business so I can take a business tax writeoff on premium membership and tier.

In all seriousness, I don't see what the problem is with someone sending out one announcement that they have started a new business. We are all here to help each other, and I like looking at what the members have put together. I'll always try to drop by and look around a little, and frankly, if I'm in a shopping mood, I'd rather patronize a Cartel member's business than some stranger's business.

I don't want to see it abused, though. If someone wants to use group notices as their personal form of advertising, then we need to put the brakes on that. That's the important part to me.

Advertising events, like CX's parties or whatever is fine by me. It's a social group. I want to know where the party is!

I've not noticed the Group beng abused with commercial notices, so I guess whatever we're doing is within my personal comfort zone. I agree that the Group shouldn't be used to promote business interests, beyond the occasional grand opening.

I do appreciate reminders, I can barely remember my commitments in FL, asking me to remember parties in SL is just too much!

Lil, if you wouldn't mind, I'd love the info on the personal planner, I'm lost in FL without my calendar, I'd love one in SL.

Thanks

the questions posed should be true for ANY social-based group. there are more than jsut the one, you know.

well, since everyone agrees, i am going to post my grand opening of the new little mall i made, even though now it's been 2 weeks open.

actually, i'm not. i hate those and i find them annoying and abusive of a social group.

I do not want our current attitude of laxity to be abused.. has it? I dont' think so.

Do we need to make policies to prevent some theoretical future inconvenience that hasn't even happened? I don't think so. Thus far SL is far superior to FL in the area of political opression. Let us strive to keep it so, please.

IF the time comes at some future point when a member consistently uses group notices in a problematic way, then our group owner friends will be able to deal with it.

No one here is a congressman, justifying their presence in an elitist high-paying no-work job by bragging about how many new rules and resrictions they have imposed on others.


In other words... what Lil said. Lil the wise, Lil the benevolent, Lil the incessant dancer.

LMAO

/me blushes , smiles , and takes a bow

I still maintain this.....people need to send me updates though, if the place has moved, changed names, no longer exists...I can only update if am told lol.
I did consider offering to put one ad next to each entry in the business list, like a texture that you can click and open, but I figured it is long enough as it is, without adding more to it.

You talk of not wanting "policy's" and not having people oppressed yet your post comes across as if you have made the decision for everyone...and dare I say it..feels rather oppressive.

I have noticed the messages come through, one very recently. As a member I have a right to discuss it.

I don't wish there to be a long list of do's and dont's within a group run by people that formed it through choice for wonderful social reasons and which many, many enjoy. But I do think its all about respect of fellow members...and maybe manners? I actually find the commercial spam disrespectful to the other members.. Yes it is the odd notice and does hardly happen..but it DOES happen..now my question is what is stopping the other 400 members or so doing the same? Don't you agree it would then be a problem?

It doesn't really bother me if everyone sends out notices unrelated to the hangout, I can opt out of seeing them and I did uncheck it a while back already.

My personal threshold would be to only see notices in the group that actually have something to do with the hangout, and hangout members would advertise their personal event/business on a board somewhere at the hangout.

Ohhh, is this the sort of group drama that you hear about? I keep waiting for truly nasty drama to happen within this one and it just doesn't materialize. I'll be asking for my money back, soon.
For what it's worth, Xerxes' post seemed quite sensible to me

Claire, sweety, I didn't mean that you weren't doing a good job maintaining the business list. Only that it's a lot to ask of one person to do so.

See how these things happen?

Yeah, commecial stuff can get annoying, I don't mind a once in a blue moon from people, maybe if we put one in a year each would be ok, but weekly from the same people with nothing groundbreaking to announce are annoying, but the social event ones are fine by me, if some don't interest me, fine, I'm sure others do find them interesting.

Can anyone give an example of a commercial notice that comes weekly on the group notice system?

Thanks to Tiana for bringing this up. The first time I saw a commercial 'notice' via the group a did a little double-take and a frown. I wondered if, and why, it was considered acceptable. I've recently considered blocking notices so it must be at a level where it's getting annoying to me.

As to what rules can be applied to select commercial from non-commercial... tricky. Like anything in life the rules are blurry. Arguably, holding a social event on commercial land is pushing the boundaries, because a group of avatars at a location attracts interest. Not that I'd want to restrict something like this: it's an extreme argument for rhetorical purposes.

If it wasn't for the inherent cliquishness and the extra unwanted IMs, I'd suggest a system of 'frownie points'. If someone puts up a notice you disapprove of, IM a on the group channel to let them know it's not appreciated. Any smart techy types want to design a confidential, non-IM means of doing this?

<<edit>> Until that happens, Xerxes point holds up well.

Why doesn't someone set up a notice board at the Cartel Hangout that informs people of upcoming events.

People could go to the hangout and check the notice board if they are looking for something to do or looking for great deals at stores.

There is one. If you are running a Release Candidate, it's there. And very nifty it is too.

There is a calendar on the wall at the hangout. It works in the current viewer if you turn on your media settings and leave them set to automatically play media when you enter a location , or you have to press press "play" for media in order to see the calendar, since it is HTML-on-a-prim and is technically "media."

Anyone who wants to become a contributor to the calendar can IM me and I'll add you.

As a sidenote, it is a Google Calendar, and it has the ability to set up "reminders" as part of the built-in functionality. I'm in the process of playing with this to decide if it's useful or not.

And if you are not using that version of the viewer, you can still see the Calendar at http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=forumcartel%40gmail.com.

Doesn't putting the events of cartel business owners on the hangout calendar implicate all the same questions as sending them out in group notices?

I guess the difference there would be that people can CHOOSE to make a point of looking at them.

I honestly did not mean any bad feeling by starting this topic and I apologise if it seems that way, but its been nice that lots have voiced their opinion.

One part of me does not blame any fledging business owner or established owner doing what they can to get their name out there, but the other part of me as a business owner myself keeps social and pleasure separate and I don't choose to have it forced upon me in a social group I joined for light relief. I think in all honesty that it is disrespectful to the many,many other members of that group and in all honesty if we all started doing it the essence of why the group was formed would be blown apart as it turns into nothing but a spam fest.

I personally don't mind the count down reminders to a party of some sort.. I have yet still to attend one but those kind of notices do not bother me as I knew full well they would be part of being in such a group. I have even been known to smile when I see a member putting on a event for other members (non - commercial) I smile because I think "what a nice thing to do...."

The other stuff IMO is needless and annoying.

We can probably do something on the cartel website for commercial notices.