How much does SL effect your RL? Be Honest!

I could argue that you are likely to learn better if you find out things for yourself, rather than have them explained to you, so drawing errors to an eager pupil's attention represents a positive provocation to the enthusiastic learner.

Pep (But if you are lazy, or not interested in learning you don't do the homework)

You could argue that very well. I believe that the word "educate" is based on latin that means to draw out. However, merely pointing out errors in someone's post isn't an attempt to either teach or draw the understanding out of the person - it's just unhelpful fault-finding, and quite likely means, "I know the difference so I'm clever."

It's "lead out" actually, not "draw out", which rather messes up your argument and reinforces my viewpoint. Pointing out an error to someone who has already been taught it, unsuccessfully, in the traditional fashion (I would assume - which may be dangerous) might represent a more effective approach.

Pep (Not one for this "praise the good, ignore the bad" approach to teaching)

I just googled it and got "draw out"

Thank you for educating me But I don't see how "lead out" messes up my argument. It merely transposes to, "However, merely pointing out errors in someone's post isn't an attempt to teach/lead out - it's just unhelpful fault-finding, and quite likely means, "I know the difference so I'm clever."

There you go, Pep

I'll call the OED then and get them to change their entry.

Pep ("Googled" = Meaningless without context)

I searched and got both "lead" and "draw", which are basically the same thing in this context of teaching, so your correction was an error, Pep

More to the point, though, is that simply stating that it's "affect" and not "effect" is really useless without explaining/teaching why. The person may already know but made a mistake. If the person doesn't know, then s/he still doesn't know which to use the next time, because nothing was explained.

The Latin root "Duco" also means charm, influence, mislead, draw, calculate, count, reckon, esteem, consider, delay, marry, command and various other things (it's one of those convenient "do" type words) but I consulted the OED (they have guys there that do nothing else) for their preferred etymology to confirm my own understanding of the derivation.

And perhaps the OP might go off and look up the difference now he has been reminded of it.

Pep (Or choose to remain in ignorance, of course)

Back to the topic...

I've been pretty much immersed in SL since I was introduced to it two years ago. My RL life allows it, so it's not a problem. What I do in/with SL has changed over time though and there has been nothing of interest for me in SL for quite some time, other than the business. So my answer is that SL affects my RL to a very large extent in terms of time.

Ignorance is bliss

Well there you go. Your understanding is merely some people's preference. I'm glad we sorted that out. My preference is that both "lead out" and "draw out" are good, not because of any literal transalation, but because I've always thought that things are learned better when they come from (drawn out from) the student's mind.

But we digress. Simply pointing out an error in a post is useless, and could do more harm than good. If there's too much of it, we could find that some people are afraid to post in case they've a comma out of place and will be criticised for it.

Because fools know no alternative . . .

Pep ( . . . unless disturbed by the less foolish)

Then we can agree to disagree amicably, since this is a question of opinion.

On the other hand, you are making a statement that I disagree with; pointing out an error is not useless. I have noted that posts made arguing with me are edited significantly more than posts where I am not involved.

Pep (Thank you for your increased care and consideration)

I didn't say that pointing out an error is useless. I said that pointing out an error in a post is useless, and we are talking in the context of grammar and spelling. There are many times when pointing out errors in posts is extremely useful; e.g. writing that a mainland sim's tier is $195 and not $295 would be very useful. But stating that it's "affect" and not "effect", without explaining why, is useless.

Imagine someone who gets corrected quite often, without any explanation as to why it should be different (as in this case), but who has no interest in learning things precisely. What effect could that have on the person?

And don't forget that the dictionary is subject to man - man is not subject to the dictionary.

I wouldn't know about that as I think this is the first discussion that we've had. But if you're thinking of my posts, you are very much mistaken. You won't find many of mine that are not edited, regardless of who I am discussing with. Usually it's to correct spellings, or add an omitted word, etc., but occasionally it's to add something.

Oh PLEASE, get over yourself

Is this another thread about how intelligent one is according to their knowledge of spelling and grammar?

How about the illiterate man I know who with his wife now are pulling in about a half a million dollars a year and yet this man cannot read nor write much better than a 7 year old?

Me thinks some people are confusing knowledge of something with intelligence. Two quite separate things actually.

What was the topic?

Topic: I'll just go with the title of the thread: "How much does SL effect your RL. Be honest"?

I have angry, mean, abusive stalkers who have been stalking me for years and now to SL and it sucks.

Do I hate my stalkers? No. I just think they are effed up people and that they could get a rl and/or choose more constructive things to do with their lives other then stalking, harassing and slandering me and my family on the internet.

In this post I am being "honest", and yes the stalkers affect me some but most of the time I am just blown away by how effed up these stalkers are, and I wonder more what has affected them in their life to make them so effed up and full of hate all the while knowing there is nothing I can do to help their effed up minds. I know it's completely up to my stalkers to change their life path or goals or put themselves to better use as I can't help them to make better use of their life nor make them a better human being.

Now to the OP. Make a list of things you've always wanted to do in your rl but never had the opportunity nor time. I'm sure you'll find life offers a wide variety of enjoyable things to do, granted you are not disabled in some way wherein you cannot do those things in rl. Thus, make your list within reality including your income, etc.

Phoenixa,
Have you considered working as a proof reader? There really is a need for people who can spot errors. I read over the title and never even noticed, although I do know the difference.

Freelance proof readers can pick up a little extra money.
Mary

I would suggest taking a break from Second Life rather than leaving altogether.

I've been in SL over 2 years. It is an intense experience at times. It has to be sometimes, like while you're learning or making things it requires a lot of mental and time input. SL has been a positive experience for me - an indulgence of creativity. Our rational RL minds know it's only a virtual world but our emotions don't make the distinction between real and imaginary. I don't get into any deep SL relationships, I'm just in love with SL itself! I have a happy, adjusted RL. I have noticed minor symptoms of addiction though, such as RL things becoming less important. In SL I've always been very outgoing and extravert, while I've become quieter and more introverted in RL since joining. I'll have to monitor that!

But I didn't log in on Christmas day and I was only on for less than 5 minutes yesterday to give an item to someone. So I'm not out of control!

Pep isn't ductile enough for that. He couldn't get over himself with a stepladder and a self-help DVD.

You forgot to put an apostrophe in the word can't above. Just thought I'd help you with that. lol

Ductile refers only to metals.

Pep (I used to be an Android; no more)

Yet another thread laden with off-topic arguments totally unrelated to Second Life.... and by the same people, too. Please, folks - if you want to discuss grammar go to a grammar forum... or take it to emails...

Because this IS an important topic and you are hijacking it.

To the OP: I definitely feel your pain - I hazard a guess (although I may be wrong) that catching your SL girlfriend with another man was the thing that triggered your reaction and if so, I am deeply, deeply sorry for you - finding something like that out in such a horrible way is the worst - whether in RL or SL.

And that's kind of my point - this hurts. I don't care if it's SL or RL. This has shown that for you, at least, it's NOT a game - you had time and emotion invested into this virtual world. Someone betrayed your trust and you are hurting because of it.

SL is most definitely different things to different people, and those with a more addictive personality with most certainly get "sucked in" and involved.

My advice would be to take some time away and try to heal a little more this hurt you so obviously feel, and then come back and see how it can be. Start again with new friends, new places.

As for my story: I have a job in RL and a job in SL - both bring in decent money - RL for living, SL money for playing (both in RL and SL). I have friends in SL and RL but won't get into relationships in-world, for various reasons, but mostly because you can't truly know the person behind the avatar and at some point that RL/SL line gets blurred. I think that I've found a decent SL/RL balance - there are some things I don't do in RL any more that I used to, but that's a conscious decision to replace one way to spend my time with another.

Cosmo, I wish you luck in your healing. take your time, but please come back when you feel you are ready. I hope you are still reading this thread.

You only think you're made of irony.