Adult content...who wanted the changes...

There's probably one good thing coming from Ursula: It will clean up a lot of dead garbage places. There's litterally a gazillion "free sex corners" with corny naked pictures, freebee clothes, poses and other items that shouldn't be free at all but got bugged in the past to become full perm (or were simply copy-botted).
Just check on the owners of such parcels, and join any open group they may be in. You'll find that a lot of them haven't been online for over a year, and nothing LL could or would do about them.

But, those absent owners are now assigned a new plot on Ursula, and are given ample time to move over. Neighbours who got tired of all the blings and stuff will need to send only 1 AR, a few weeks after the change, to have a Linden clear out the plot and return the stuff present to the owner, who will have to sort out rebuilding it on his new plot himself. What's left will probably look better than it used to.

For valid & active adult entertainers, this will be good too, since less people will get lost hanging around dead places, or even spend their money there.

The biggest issue I actually see, is the fact that all old landmarks and picks become outdated. I think it wouldn't be a bad thing if LL investigated into somehow automatically updating all LM's and picks made at the old location before a specified date to the new location.

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Immy ( =^-^= )

http://www.simteach.com/wiki/index.php?title=Top_20_Educational_Locations_in_Second_Life

There's a very large, thriving, educational presence in SL... and the very active SLED mailing list. It's largely unnoticed because most of it goes on in private sims, but it's there.

As an academic, I personally don't see the advantage to Ursula for education institutions that know what they're doing in SL. It's more important to make sure that an avatars first half hour is free of prim penises and propositions of sex which is a different issue entirely.

The idea of an eventual merge with the teen grid is attractive proposition (FROM AN EDUCATION POINT OF VIEW, I repeat FROM AN EDUCATION POINT OF VIEW) for which Ursula is a neccessary prerequisite.. but of course this isn't why they're doing it.

Yes, but are THOSE educators the ones asking for the "more predictable pornography" that Linden Labs claims are demanding this?

All right..it was me. I had a few too many scotches and decided to crank call LL. I didn't think they'd actually DO it!

Thinking back almost 2 years ago when I came to SL.. I did not see people humping and it was a few weeks (maybe a few months) before I even changed my skin to include private parts. As a matter of fact, I cant recall ever seeing people humping unless I was in a sim that allowed that... kissing sure...dancing of course.. but not screwing wildly on just any sim...

That can be said about most any educational, commercial, or business finding its place inworld. This is why the whole "predictable" thing comes into question. (>_<

How come the residency of SL has to have a slew of new rules shoved down our throats in order to make things nicer for people who are going to buy their own islands and make them predictable enough for themselves, by themselves? (=_=)

If a corporation is going to come in with their own corporate sim, they're going to have their own set of rules, hire their own builders, and represent themselves in their own predictable manner. What goes on in mainland will be practically invisible to them. (=_=)

I have a feeling it has more to do with Paypals "no adult" rules. They've cut off a few sites I run over there being "adult oriented material" there. That would be a HUGE blow to LL.

Heh... There's some truth to that.

I can't say I wanted the change ahead of time - I wasn't around. But I like that its coming.

I -DO NOT- want to find myself accidentally cybering up someone who is not of proper age. I want a bright line between the two forms of content so I can have a lot more confidence over who I am dealing with and whether or not what I am up to in one place or another is appropriate.

Vagueness and unpredictability are -NOT OK- when you decide to enter the world of adult content in something like SL where you don't have RL indicators to let you know who you are dealing with.

My only annoyance is that its taking so long to implement. I want the change in there, so we can all move on and let things get back to normal.

Unfortunately this change doesn't create any such "bright line between two forms of content", nor does it provide significant protection against finding out that you're accidentally "cybering up someone who is not of proper age".

Exactly. I'll be there reporting them too, so I can help clean out the dead stuff.

I get very tried of landing in dead clubs. Sadly, there's a lot of dead clutter in the PG and 'light mature' areas as well - but this change won't help clear them out.

Unfortunately I think one place I do like to visit, which has a very active regular community, will get the ax - as I don't think the actual owner of it has logged into SL since I started up again in May, if not for a year or more. But somehow the place is bot and camper free, and very active.

But then, if it goes, that'll just give someone else the chance to make the same theme better.

As for LM's going dead - that's not so bad either. At least in the adult end of things, a lot of them are poorly placed or designed to move you through spam anyway. Having to re-find the stuff might do some of us some good. Over the past few days I've been manually moving mine away from spam anyway, and deleting the Picks and LMs that didn't lead to actual social communities.

Well, to get over to that new continent, you need to be verified. Which means either you are, or some adult decided to knowingly fake the system to put you there - which would constitute child endangerment in most places.

That's the irony of it all. For all the turmoil this is causing, it will do NOTHING to protect the residents.It is typical LL smoke and mirrors. They want THEIR image improved, with the residents shouldering the burden. There will be no more assurances of adulthood in a user as there is now. All it is is image polishing for the imaginary future customers LL is pimping to.

Any 14 year old knows how to fake the system, they don't need an adults help.

They're really only asking that you verify you're willing to give money to Linden Lab.

These changes are not going to move more than a few percent of the content to Ursula. According to Linden Labs, most sexually related content will remain perfectly OK in "Mature" land. Only content that is public and/or advertised will have to move, and putting it in a prim house is more than enough to make it "not public". And you know how effective prims are at preventing people from seeing things.

Yup.

Any teen who has already used a credit card, be it their own, or a "borrowed" one is already verified.

Sadly, the changes being cut in do NOTHING about this. I've already been placed in such a situation through IMs in a PG region and her account is wiped now as a result of my AR. (PG), (Mature), and (Adult) do nothing for what happens between people in IMs. And, in my point of view, that's where the REAL danger is. Lying about age, one way or the other... It's NOT COOL! But, it does happen. (T_T)

I think a lot of the friction and tension would have been eased if PG lands were grouped together. There is really not much of a line between PG and Mature areas, literally.

Agreed....all about smoke screens!

The irony there is that a Paypal verified account is one of the ways to access the adult stuff lol

Well Aristotle doesn't work in age verification as shown here:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/SL_Verification_(Age_%26_Payment)_-_Issues_and_Information

also kids of the age of 13 can have a prepaid credit card in a lot of countries and this LL says is not about age verification but account verification. While the main grid is easier to get onto than the Teen grid and knowing what teens in general are like (Yes I have had 3 and was one myself) this is not going to be a smooth ride and with all the publicity about the new Adult Continent I think it may help bringing people into SL to get to the adult side of things

Just my opinion though

Again, when can we hear the podcast if we couldn't attend last night's in-world meeting? Or a transcript posting on Lord Sullivan's wiki site of it? Need the info.

I will see if I can get some info from Mitch tomorrow unless someone else posts it first on the wiki, so if anyone has the links can they mail them to me as well as posting them here

So I see the discussion thread is being locked.