/me grows tired of waiting for LL to put all the damn answers in one damn place so makes her own damn thread.. Next post below is pending questions (keep it reasonable.. no "are you on drugs, LL?" stuff). I'll edit these as I see new things answered or people poke me with new questions..
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Hi Everyone, I'm going to do my best to try and stay involved here in the forums!
@ Atashi - 1) guidelines will have to be specific if we want to make this process as easy and painless as possible.
2) Yes, search results will improve substantially. Those advertising adult content and those searching for it will be able to find each other much easier. And those who do not want to access such material won't have to
4) Yes, the current system doesn't work as well as it should. SL is a unique and interactive medium, thus the need to improve it
@ Dusan - mirroring the real world means creating a system similar to internet standards. This is much more familiar and hopefully eases the process.
@ Atashi - 1) guidelines will have to be specific if we want to make this process as easy and painless as possible.
2) Yes, search results will improve substantially. Those advertising adult content and those searching for it will be able to find each other much easier. And those who do not want to access such material won't have to
4) Yes, the current system doesn't work as well as it should. SL is a unique and interactive medium, thus the need to improve it
@ Dusan - mirroring the real world means creating a system similar to internet standards. This is much more familiar and hopefully eases the process.
..I am however concerned about the motivations for the project....you use the term "mirror the real world" - can you explain please which real world you're mirroring exactly?..
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Hey Dusan,
Thanks for being first to post! I think you might be quoting from an earlier version of the post where I did mention the mirroring concept in an attempt to explain "the kind of behavior you would expect to see in everyday life". We ran it by some folks and it wasn't conveying the message we wanted, so we decided to talk about it in less formal conversation with the community. Basically, we are trying for the majority of Second Life to just be... life. Any form, format, or point of view you like, in what we now call the mature area - sort of like the town square. The very sexually explicit and extremely violent, we want to have in a location you choose to go to, just as you would in the "real world".
Cyn
We will not be making any immediate changes to the Teen Grid. We decided to keep the two issues separate and this is '''not''' the project where we will decide the future of the TG.
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The idea is that there will be multiple ways to become verified. You will be considered adult verified if you have payment info with Linden, payment info with Xstreet or a verified Paypal account. I believe that the Paypal accounts will satisfy some of the comments by Europeans.
If you already have payment info on file with Linden or any of the above, you will be considered adult verified.
If you already have payment info on file with Linden or any of the above, you will be considered adult verified.
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In other words, in classifieds, if I am searching for adult content - ONLY adult content should appear. Results should not be combined.
Good luck coming up with a globally acceptable set of community standards though. Some people in the world are actually not offended by a female nipple lol
Good luck coming up with a globally acceptable set of community standards though. Some people in the world are actually not offended by a female nipple lol
That's a great point. We want to make sure that the results that pop up, are what you searched for! This would make it easier to not only find Adult content but will improve the ways adult vendors can market their goods.
will it be possible for say a verified acct of a child av to have a choice not to see Adult content, just M and PG?
Yes. You can pick the content you wish to see. If you have no interest in Adult Content, then you don't have to do a thing.
For those who DO wish to search and access Adult content, they would chose to do so.
If memory serves me, the search result ranking was changed to give higher weight to locations in that were included in people's pics in addition to other information as a way to get rid of campers.
Stores run promotions now that say if you add this place to your pics you can win this contest or we'll pay you 10$l. How is this going to work with adult stores and classifides? I'm sure they'll be filtered, but if someone puts includes a pic for his favoruite girly bar or maybe even the Crack Den RPG (drug use) sim in the profile don't they run the risk of being banned for PG violations?
Why isn't an option to mark one's profile as containing adult content being included in this new push? Even though the TOS/CS forbid it there's a lot of stuff that's non-PG in those profiles.
Stores run promotions now that say if you add this place to your pics you can win this contest or we'll pay you 10$l. How is this going to work with adult stores and classifides? I'm sure they'll be filtered, but if someone puts includes a pic for his favoruite girly bar or maybe even the Crack Den RPG (drug use) sim in the profile don't they run the risk of being banned for PG violations?
Why isn't an option to mark one's profile as containing adult content being included in this new push? Even though the TOS/CS forbid it there's a lot of stuff that's non-PG in those profiles.
Heya Kuroyanagi! We are not currently filtering profiles, although as you mentioned per our Community Standards any content displayed within your profile (including picks) should confirm to the overall PG standards. We're not currently flagging profiles as pg/mature/adult, but I'll take that idea back to the team for their consideration.
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NO system is fool proof
You are correct. But we are attempting to improve current the verification system. We know there are issues and we're doing what we can to correct them. But we are also aware that no system is 100% effective.
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I cannot see how you can protect people from what's around them. I feel that it comes down to them choosing what they will see, where they will go, what they will do. Just as in RL, you make your own choices of what you will see and do, and you back out quickly from places and things that you don't want to deal with.
That was a great post, thank you. I totally agree with you. This is all about a resident's choice to access whatever content they want. We're not trying to censor or punish the content creators or those who participate. The goal is to make sure that those who want it, can find it, those who make it can sell it and those who don't want it can avoid it. Its part of making the SL experience as predictable as possible.
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I have a dead serious question to ask of this. How exactly will this impact what people sell on here adult content wise. I ask due to having come here from another 3dchat program after being tired of being mistreated as both an adult and a paying customer. I think we all have a honest right to know exactly how this will impact us who enjoy the more adult activities on here. If anyone at Linden Labs wishes to reach me just look for me in world I will gladly listen to what you have to say on this matter.
This will help you identify and target those who are specifically interested in your goods. With the Adult content in one place, it'll make it so much easier to find. I would expect increased foot traffic.
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I am certainly not going to hand out my RL info to any arbitrary company in US with lax privacy laws and which is allowed to sell it. Sorry, ain't gonna happen. I took sufficient risk with providing my CC info already.
If your credit card is already on file, then you have nothing to worry about.
I really do not get why:
a) This whole thing is even necessary - when signing up, one has to declare age already (did you try to create an alt recently?), has to explicitly agree to the TOS saying that only 18+ people are allowed on the grid. So I do not see why we need to even talk about teens on the grid - they are obviously violating the current TOS and shouldn't be there.
a) This whole thing is even necessary - when signing up, one has to declare age already (did you try to create an alt recently?), has to explicitly agree to the TOS saying that only 18+ people are allowed on the grid. So I do not see why we need to even talk about teens on the grid - they are obviously violating the current TOS and shouldn't be there.
There are plenty of underage users already in SL. When we come across that, it is AR'ed and they are removed. Unfortunately, this current system doesn't work as well as it should - hence the new system.
b) As an adult, *I* want to have a choice what I see and what I do not. Preventing me from going to regions marked as adult only because I didn't provide my CC-info for my umpteens alt/do not have CC/*do not want* to provide it (privacy, especially when dealing with adult content!) is offensive to me. Why am I being treated as a little kid? It is not like one was force-fed with adult content against their will, you have to explicitly look for it and there are ways to deal with occasional griefers already. Make the mature/PG labeling work and enforce compliance with it, but do not restrict access!
You do have a choice and this is all about making sure you can find it. It also helps give added assurance to the content providers that the SL users are in fact verified as adult.
c) I absolutely do not see why all this has to apply to private islands. There is no way to arrive to an adult private island without explicitly asking for it. Thanks to this silliness a lot of my friends will not be able to come to my place anymore only because we are adults and engage in mature activities (no, I do not mean sex )
This does not apply to private islands.
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Blondin: I haven't read all the way through yet so forgive me if this has already been asked: how do you define "private" home? If the home is on a mainland parcel and does not have ban lines (i.e. is publically accessible) ... is it not considered private, since anyone could walk in and engage in sexual behavior?
No, I would consider that a private home.
What about nusists/naturists?
They are not doing anything sexual, but ar showing their birthday suit (well skin then) in everyday life.
Will they be confined into the adult continent now?
And for the multicultural and international approach...
PLEASE explain the allowed and dissallowed things clearly and dont refer to ratings that isn't understood at all outside USA.
Speaking of ratings... which PG? There are at least three of them as far as i know
They are not doing anything sexual, but ar showing their birthday suit (well skin then) in everyday life.
Will they be confined into the adult continent now?
And for the multicultural and international approach...
PLEASE explain the allowed and dissallowed things clearly and dont refer to ratings that isn't understood at all outside USA.
Speaking of ratings... which PG? There are at least three of them as far as i know
This is tricky, but from my understanding, no. Nudists/Naturalist will not be deemed as Adult. This is under the assumption that the main point of the gathering is not sexual.
I'm not sure I understand your second question. Are you asking about the PG/M/and Adult ratings?
From /352/b6/311514/3.html#post2351551/352/b6/311514/3.html#post2351551
I have a dead serious question to ask of this. How exactly will this impact what people sell on here adult content wise. I ask due to having come here from another 3dchat program after being tired of being mistreated as both an adult and a paying customer. I think we all have a honest right to know exactly how this will impact us who enjoy the more adult activities on here. If anyone at Linden Labs wishes to reach me just look for me in world I will gladly listen to what you have to say on this matter.
This will help you identify and target those who are specifically interested in your goods. With the Adult content in one place, it'll make it so much easier to find. I would expect increased foot traffic.
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What about ending up in an infohub naked through one of SL's many "quirks"?
"Your region is not available, here's a random infohub!
I've already seen the results of a "mature" areas going under.
In order to prevent unnecessary and uncalled for AR's (naked at an infohub), is the "random infohub" technique of dealing with outages going to be updated?
"Your region is not available, here's a random infohub!
I've already seen the results of a "mature" areas going under.
In order to prevent unnecessary and uncalled for AR's (naked at an infohub), is the "random infohub" technique of dealing with outages going to be updated?
Good question: Failed logins would redirect based on preferred maturity - instead of dumping everyone to a PG region. This should help curb the AR's.
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I own a sex club (and proud of it) and I've gone out of my way to keep it from affecting my neighbors. It's 500 meters in the air and a completely sealed box from the outside. You can get in unless you TP in from a mature ad, or you're flying along and decide cam inside (and how far can you fly in SL anymore?)
My mature ads spell out exactly what goes on, so it's not like I'm tricking people to get my guests to hang out at my place. There is no way you can "accidentally" be offended by my club. You have to really work at being offended.
So does this mean I've have to move?
My mature ads spell out exactly what goes on, so it's not like I'm tricking people to get my guests to hang out at my place. There is no way you can "accidentally" be offended by my club. You have to really work at being offended.
So does this mean I've have to move?
Based on the current thinking (overtly sexual in nature), yes - you would be required to move.
