Banned from SLX will STAY banned

To date, I've only seen one member of Xstreet SL become a Linden and that's Apotheus, the former owner.

Keep in mind also that there's a difference between being banned from a forum and being banned from SL. I don't know what the history is here. If someone was banned from the SL Forums, were they also banned from SL?

I would imagine it will ultimately be up to the Governance Team.

that was me realizing they could hehehehe

All except the former terminal placers have become Lindens Lab employees.

Why would anyone have a problem with there being two forums?

This one is about anything sl related, the other is mostly merchant and builder related but there are also a lot of fun silly threads that are games, etc. The general discussion forum discusses just about anything and everything, including some threads that are critical of LL. Those threads would not happen here, but the people involved are enjoying them so why should anybody else have an issue?


Tizania:
I've bought almost all of your one prim plant sculpties, and you never responded to my customer service questions at all. They are great, but they are also the last thing to rez on the entire sim. Have to pack a lunch...

The sculptmaps are not full perms, they are no mod which means I cannot keep them in my texture organizer, and if I use them in a build the whole thing will appear to be no-mod in inventory, confusing me and my customers. So, I gave you a lot of $Ls but can hardly ever use them.

You used an alpha to hide the sculptmap anyway, so no mod is just overkill... and product *not* full perms, as advertised. Blaming the asset server or slex for your bad business ethics is silly... but the tone of your posts sort of match the angry face on your product boxes.

Every good pro builder has an alt to check permissions.

You obviously don't visit this forum very often. Those things DO happen here.

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I've never used SLX or OnRez, either as a buyer or a seller, but I do think it's wrong for LL to leave the bans in place. The bans were done by SL users, and not by SL staff, and, since they are now a part of LL/SL, the bans should no longer exist. But what else does anyone expect from LL? It is known as a company that puts 2 fingers up to its customers, and doesn't give a damn about them. Some individual Lindens are excellent (I've only ever come across one who isn't), but the company is shite from a customer's point of view, and it cannot be expected to perform with good sense on behalf of its customers.

I haven't read all of this thread, but I'm interested to know if those users (forum moderators) are still able to ban people from SLX - ban people from part of the LL/SL system.

I found that face funny lol

Mystress I now noticed that it's your first post in this forum, and you are trying to flame.

Strange .... really strange isn't?

I do not know if the users (forum moderators) at XStreet SL/SLX who have since become Linden employees are able to ban people from the forums that still exist on XStreet SL/SLX but I do know that as of 1/27/09 they had the capability of unbanning.

The announcement that Xstreet SL had been acquired by Linden Labs was posted on 1/21/09 so you decide.

From what I gathered in posts, so it's not reliable or I may have misunderstood, some XLS from moderators were only users there and not part of the XLS company, and had the ability to ban people from the forum, which meant banning them from XLS. If that's correct, I wonder if those XLS user-moderators are still able to ban people from the forum, and therefore from what is now a part of LL/SL.

Of course I may have got it all wrong anyway.

The items was full perm but I forgot to delete a no mod texture inside one prim take the item find the texture and delete, It will become full perm. It's a human mistake.

I haven't ignored email from Xstreet or better Linden Lab becouse the only mail I received before the ban was from Virtuatrade and I received it in my unwanted mail box becouse their domain is blacklisted by my ISP.


Ah you forgot to tell that the item was a 99 L$ heart lockpad so be carefull when u use words like dishonest.

The facts as I know them. The forum moderators at XStreet SL/SLX were never users there. They were all XStreet SL/SLX employees. At least SOME of these XStreet SL/SLX employees had the ability to ban and unban users in their forums. I do not know if this ability to ban/unban in the forums carried through to a complete ban/unban of XStreetSL/SLX (Marketplace etc). I can only speak to their ability to ban/unban from their forum. These XStreet SL/SLX employees have now become Linden Lab employees. I do not know if these Linden Lab employees have the ability to ban from what was once know as the XStreet SL/SLX forums but I do know that they had the ability to UNBAN users from the aformentioned forum on 1/27/09. The announcement that XStreet SL/XLS had been acquired by Linden Labs was made on 1/21/09 so it "appears" that those that were once XStreet SL/SLX employees with the ability to ban/unban folks from their XStreet SL/SLX forum do indeed have the ability to at least UNBAN now that they are Linden Lab employees.

What a mouthful, lol

That's your idea of a flame? A Customer politely giving you feedback on your product? Wow. I guess thats why you dont respond to your buyers' questions. You didn't here either... LOL Instead you try to pretend its a personal attack... *shakes her head*

I do read this forum occasionally. I'm an ocasional slex forum user. I don't have much time for either one.

There is a thread on there about this thread, made me curious. I've never seen signs of favouritism on the forums there, as some people are accusing. People get banned for TOS violations and that usually means they were scamming in some way. Bringing those folks back would not benefit anyone but the scammers.

A real scammer need 5 minutes to register a new account and start scamming again.

Since I am not a scammer I can't create another account and loose a week to relist all my items that i sold in 2 years never having a problem. Becouse they will see the same items and ban me again.

An Xstreet ban for a merchant is equivalent to death penalty

Keeping all of the prior bans on XStreetSL without review is entirely consistent with the way Linden Lab has always operated Second Life. If the rule in Second Life is, "Ban first, ask questions never," why would Linden Lab operate XStreetSL under a different rule?

Reviewing prior bans will require the time of actual Linden Lab employees, and even worse, it will force them to make case-by-case decisions.

Maintaining the status quo is the cheapest and easiest path. That is the path that Linden Lab will always take.

The real question is, Why would anyone devote their time and money doing business with a company that has a long history of demonstrated indifference to the people with whom it does business?

I felt the lure of creating a content creation business in Second Life too. I devoted a lot of time to perfecting animations, but at least I figured out the way Second Life "business" operates before going through the headache and expense of actually setting up an animation store.

And I'm just an amateur. My advice to anyone with true content creation skills is to take them into the real world marketplace and make real money from your skills in a sane manner.

I like it better there.

It's wider, brighter, faster and BB code works.
I think it's this blue. Doesn't agree with me.


I can hardly believe that anybody that has been banned there wasn't warned or didn't deserve it.

Hope it stays up for the sake of choice.

I find it quite astonishing that you continue these falsehoods, even though I have the no modify sculpt maps in my possession, Xstreet has the no modify sculpt maps in its possession, and I have your PMs.

I didn't forget to state the name and price of the item, as it wasn't relevant. And please explain to me what the price or name of the item has to do with honesty? Are you saying if I had paid more, or had purchased a different item, that you would then honest? In my view that just further underlines all the points I've been making thus far. As a merchant, you will do or say anything to make the sale, regardless of whether it is ethical or not.

Unless you have more than one paypal account, or a fistful of credit cards under different names it is difficult to create a new slex sellers account.
Plus slex requires people to be on for several days before they can list. Not 5 minutes.

One prim plant sculpties of this type have not been around for 2 years. They were only recently made possible when the code was updated to specify planar sculpts.

What did I spend on your one prim plants altogether? 2200 $L? I dont recall. I mostly cannot use them because the sculptmaps are no mod when advertised full perms. Had I known they were no mod I would not have bought them. I dont see you jumping up offering to replace them with full perm ones.

I got scammed by your misleading advertising therefore you are a scammer. Pretty straightforward really.

Kind of you to validate what the slexers are saying: that the folks who were banned are scammers and we do not need them back.

I looked again when I logged in today... your 4 plant one prim sculpty (the only one of the 16 or so I bought that I have actually used because the off-sim island is no mod anyway) really is the *last* thing on the whole sim to rez... and I've got scultpies all over, even 100m megaprim off-sim mountains that show up way before your plants do.

The off sim island build I have listed on slex includes a comment to please be patient waiting for your sculpty trees to rez.

Anyway, you seem to be alive and well despite the "death sentence" slex imposed... however I will cease responding to you because the bizarre nature of your postings and denials leads me to suspect you might be mentally ill.

This thread seems to have turned into a personal dispute and though I don't really want to get into the middle of it, I have a question. My question is about the technical problem you say you have.

How does making the sculpt map no-mod make it unusable for you? I have one of these exact same sculpt maps and I have no problems with it whatsoever - it works fine on the items I make and sell using it. People are able to mod the object after they buy it. Are you using the test object she provided as your base instead of creating your own object and applying the sculpt map to it? You do know that you're supposed to create a new object and apply the sculpt map you bought to it, using the object tab, right?

The only time i have ever heard of favoritism over there or unfair things happening because of mods,was from hearing it from the people over there using Xstreet and their forums..
Not all were banned, some were and some were unbanned and posting in that same thread that drew you here lol

The information that drew me to make my assumption about Mods playing favorites or being unfair is not from this forum thinking we are better than some other forum...It's not ganging up on that forum like they are thinking..
It s from people over there coming here complaining about Xstreet..It's the only time Xstreet ever comes up..

So now that forum is sitting over there wondering why these threads are popping up over here..Oh they don't like us? lol

It's not the regular users over here starting them..It's Xstreet people..

I don't see anyone from here going to the Xstreet forums and crying about LL and inworld unfair crap or our mods being unfair to us..We pretty much mod ourselves..

It's really kind of bullshit that they come here bitch about the unfairness at Xstreet..
Then they leave a lot of negative baggage here, then turn around start threads on the Xstreet forums O.o about how bad we are over here and that we are talking bad about Xstreet
What are we suppose to think if that's all we ever hear about it from the users from Xstreet?

Heck i don't blame the people in that forum one bit for being upset for reading this thread..
I'm a little wiser now for reading theirs and seeing it from a different perspective..

I don't hate or have a problem with anyone in those forums..I was more worried about regular SL users being mods and able to ban my sl account that i have a ton of money invested into..

Are they LL employees or are they xstreet employee's that are SL users??
Are they ban happy or not??
Can getting banned in those forums ban my SL account..
Is it gonna have the same Xstreet support which i loved or is it gonna be LL slow support??
That's the stuff i worry about and wonder about..
When you hear nothing but negative all the time, it starts to sound like the truth..

It has nothing to do with forum posters or who's forum is better,because we are all SL users..

Me too, but now that Xstreet have a Linden TOS what happen if I forget a virgule (yes you can violate TOS for a virgule) in the description of an item and I can't login for few days becouse I am on holiday?
Will support be able to delete my main SL account with all money objects and land?

They restored my account but I am too scared... If I rez a magic box now, could it be the last thing I rez in SL?

I echo Puppet's question, "How does making the sculpt map no-mod make it unusable for you?" and I have one of my own. How could you mod a sculptmap even if it is set to mod? Are you thinking that parts of the sculpty could be adjusted? E.g. a branch of a tree could be made thicker or thinner? Or are you wanting to download it and make some adjustments in a suitable programme (I'm not up on these things, so I don't know if it's possible or not). Or is the scuplty prim uneditable for size if the sculptmap is no mod? I'm curious.

Or is it just a matter of principle that something that can't be modded should still have the mod permission because it was advertised as full perms?

why would you not be 100% sure about your listing?
If you are forgetting something you need to slow down..If you don't have time to list something it's best to wait until you do..
Forgetting something in your listing is no excuse..thats 100% all you..
the number one rule in RL or anywhere when it comes to advertising is to make sure your wording is as right as rain..

if that one virgule is the reason you were banned and now getting a second chance..
I bet it never happens again..

I don't know why you were banned..but if it was a virgule it must have been an important one to have these other people so mad at you..

If people are being lazy in their descriptions and people are buying products off those descriptions..Then yes i am Glad LL is over there now..

I use Xstreet market a lot for purchases..The only thing i can go off of is descriptions of products.. it's nice to know the information in those adds is being watched..

You can't download them in your PC if it's no mod but you can use it to make you own full perm items. If you put a no mod map in your prim, you can modify copy and resell it.
Ah and you can't put it in a texture organizer... but really who need a texture organizer to organize sculpt maps?

It's the only way to have very small protection on sculpt maps. If it's mod copy trans you only need to download the map in your computer load it in a 3d program rebake a new texture change something and resell it in SL.

Becouse I am not a Borg drone and my english in not so good.

It doesn't take a Borg drone to make an add..
Bad English has nothing to do with forgetting..but they are giving you a second chance now so it is good to see they are being reasonable in giving chances for mistakes..

Now I could be wrong here not knowing much about sculpt maps...but if I were to put a No Mod map in a prim...wouldn't it show up as a No Mod object? I still get confused on texture perms and the way they can affect creations.

I've also seen objects with pose balls that say no mod on the object but you can modify. A lot of people do not understand that it is just the animation that is no mod.

Personally as a creator..I would never buy any type of texture in SL that is not full perms. I will gladly follow all rules set up by the texture artist..but a "not full perms" texture is just a waste of money in my book. And to advertise that something is full perms when they KNOW it is not... is false advertising.