13 year old exotic dancer

I wasn't taking offense at your porn-analogy. I made the same one myself.

I was taking offense at the way you sexist-ly claimed that only girls find emotional connections in sex, whereas guys do not.

Firstly, I'm gay. I've never had sex for "procreation."

Secondly, you're pretty much alone in feeling that sex is a mechanical act devoid of emotion. Fun or not.

Ergo, you should make statements from your own experience based on your own experience and talking about only your own experience. Your opinion is not one shared by pretty much everyone else in the history of humanity.

Trying to extrapolate it or claim you've risen above your chemical needs, or whatever Scientology-derivative philosophy you're spouting, is stupid.

I've heard on various natural history programmes that the human race is the only species who copulates for more than just reproduction. From that I gather there's quite a few of us?

You heard wrong...Bonobos will copulate even just to say hello.

http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/factsheets/entry/bonobo/behav

Sex is for procreation. Other than that, it's fun but serves no other purpose. People should be able to feel free to do it whenever and with whoever they want (obviously, as long as the other person is on board with the idea), but don't kid yourself that it has any application other than being fun. Sexual orientation doesn't come into it either, sex is no more or less meaningful whether you're straight or gay.

Oh by the way, I did make a statement based on my own experience. That's all any human being can ever do.

I'm not sure where scientology is involved really...aren't they the ones who believe that a UFO will come and take them away?

Incidentally, most anthropologists agree that men and women have different emotional responses to sex. Most agony aunt columnists too, but they're hardly a persuasive authority, I'll admit. Otherwise, explain why more men cheat on their spouses than women (women do it too I'm sure, but ever so slightly less often).

I'm pretty sure that married men who cheat on their wives agree that the sex they're having with their secretaries or whatever is devoid of emotion, so your statement that I'm alone in this belief is fundamentally flawed. Likewise, men who go to prostitutes are just fulfilling a need.

As for claiming that I had risen above my "chemical needs" - I was actually saying the exact opposite. I was saying that sex is a physical need, like eating and breathing if you recall.

The same applies to the Bonobo's larger cousin the Chimpanzee too. Dolphins too. Mostly it is higher mammals. The same ones who kill for fun too, ironically.

Joshua, you seem pretty intelligent. There's not really much point continuing an argument where both parties are so passionately committed to their cause. For that reason, as two civilized men, I think it's best to draw the discussion to a close - since neither of us will ever convince the other to change their position. Feel free to have the last word if you need to.

Okay, the bottom line is this:

1. A 13 year old being exposed to sex, and remember this is sex, although it is cybering, it is different from GTA simulated sex. Her customers are probably telling her to do stuff to herself and describing things they want done, that should only be done within the confines of a mature relationship.

2. No matter how positive your youthful sexual introduction might have been, having a young girl's introduction to sex being a paid sexual partner is not a good thing, even if is cyber. This will affect how she interacts sexually for the rest of her life. It devalues her.

3. Maybe this girl is not a good friend for your daughter. A lot of trouble teenagers get into is because of what they were encouraged to do by their friends.

Just my thoughts.

Ahh... and you are very strong? Figures.....

Emotions makes a person human. A person without emorions or capable of controling every emotion is a robot... or at least a vulcan.
Daring and willing to give over to emotions is strength beyond believe.

But were did the emotion-thingy came from anyway... I made a remark about people with problems (caused by health or not)... There was not a word about emotions.

Morwen

This thread should be locked down, it has gone the wrong way and having others attack others over there opinions.

Wow, this statement could hardly be more incorrect. Upon what do you base such ideas? It is well known among anthropologists that sex, primarly among primates, and especially in humans, is a powerful form of communication that insures the type of bonding essential to survival (on the aggregate). Sex is about a whole lot more than making babies and having fun ... except in cases where your relationship isn't very meaningful. Can't comment on that one.

I had to abstain from the rest of the discussion because it's clear he's just had a lot of really poor sex and really doesn't know what he's talking about.

Get that girl's username and file an abuse report right away. That's the best way to set things in motion and it's the only hope to finally get some measures against underage persons being involved in the SL sex industry! But do it NOW.

Assuming the girl even exists.

no so Conan and the examples You cited ended tragically. bad examples Cleo used sex as a means to an end, romeo and juliet killed themselves and are not real, and helen of troy ran away from king menaleus because he was an dirty old man.

umm no i dont believe in stifling a 13 yos natural curiosity. i believe MORE parents should talk to thier kids about sex, the good and the bad, what i protest is the fact that at 13 years old sex should be the LAST thing on thier minds. at 13 years old sex should not be something that is the "cool" thing to do. my protest is that, rather than be shocked that a child was engaging(real or made up) in such things did not meet a more wth where is this childs parents atittude? at 13 sex was the last thing on my mind, i was more worried about what to wear to school and grades, and sports(yes i was a tomboy). and yes my parents sat me down and told me all about sex. they also let me know in no uncertain terms that THEY were the parents. not me.

on a side note conan: you mentioned You lost your virginity to an older legal person? did you have a clue what to do? did You LOOK 13? how did You feel afterwards? confused? violated? or did You bury deep inside and took it in stride because its the "manly" thing to do? i am judging by your posts, that it did some damage. because some of yoru responses are disturbing. and show that at 13, you had no buisness engaging in r/l sex than the alleged 13yo girl sis in sl sex. as Morwen put it: sex is more than a physical act, if one is not prepared mentally and emotionally for it, it can have a long term psychological impact.

K, here comes Seola! lol Just saying what some might be thinking.

Child welfare is backed up with kid's actually being abused. There was nothing illegal in the actions of the child. Those underage kiddie busts, nothing can be done til an RL meeting place is set up. If you could prosecute solely on internet sex accounts, we'd sure as hell be seeing it a lot more.

Also, those claiming this story is made up - you might be forgetting one thing. The impress factor. Some kids are not taught social graces. If she is a new friend in a new area, she might be rambling to impress her friend's and the mother in the process. I had a friend (very short stint) who was new and told some pretty raunchy stories at 13 in front of my mother. My mom did call social services since she claimed they were happening in her bedroom. Well, since the mother clothed, fed and schooled her child, and there was no abuse, short of spy cams, there is no proof except her word against another's.

Now mind you, this is real life issues. Taking to the internet blurs them even further. Sure, it can be emotional, but no physical contact is taking place, and until place to make them come about, there's not much can be done.


The proper way in my opinion is to contact the mother, contact LL and possibly encourage my kids not to spend time around her.

File an abuse report ASAP.

Wow.

First of all, it doesn't sound to me like you're doing it right, or with the right person/people.

Secondly, I have to say that this is the most breathtakingly condescending, arrogant and self-gratulatory things I've ever read.... not to mention being absurd on its face.

Finally I'd like to remind you that just because you don't experience something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

QFT.

You seem to be short on the facts here Joshua.

This is illegal, it says so right on the box.
The parents would not get into trouble for it simply because no one has ever had the gumption to take this sort of thing to court and no cops, store owners (or anyone actually) has ever really policed the situation. In short, no one has got into trouble because no one cares enough to do anything about it, that's all.

Don't confuse apathy, and lack of enforcement of the law, for a law not existing. A parent who allows their kids to view pornographic material or material for adults when they are not in fact adults is in fact breaking the law.

If more community members cared enough to talk to parents who make tragic mistakes and poor choices such as this in bringing up their children (and yes, perhaps report them to child welfare from time to time if they did not care or cooperate), the world would be a far better place indeed.

It's the apathetic, selfish stand of people who think along these same lines that you expound above that cause a lot of the problems in a given community. Anyone who doesn't care enough about their children to be aware of the kinds of media and other materials they are exposed to is just a selfish fool IMO and doesn't deserve to have kids at all.

Not sure where you live, but in the US it is not against the law for parents to show their children pornographic materials. It IS illegal for a non-parent or non guardian to show a minor materials. It's up to the discretion of the parent as the law stands (though it's continuing to be debated throughout courts).

There are even some laws in some states that allow 16-17 year old children to smoke at parent's discretion if they are at home on their own property.

It's part of the struggle to allow parents to parent the way they wish versus the law taking matters in their own hands and forcing parents to make decisions based on the law. (Akin to the fight to allow a cancerous child not to, or force a child to undergo the government's recommendation of chemotherapy, regardless of the parents feelings or beliefs.)

Really? I'm interested in your story, please email me how I can help. I assume I'll be getting a portion of the funds for helping you?

There's a VAST gulf of difference between what you've just described and a 13 year old learning to be a virtual prostitute with her Mom's encouragement.


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