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When did it become polite to just walk away when talking to someone?

Tarina Sewell
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09-07-2009 23:23
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Yumi Murakami
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09-08-2009 08:20
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I didn't think you were talking to me :)

Argent was, though..
Annaleigh Hawksby
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09-08-2009 08:45
From: Yumi Murakami
It's not a question of "imposing on people", it's a question of "not being able to do anything". They have all they need and have no need for my contribution.
All your threads seem to morph into the same back-and-forth with the same question(s) asked and answered again and again. What do you get out of these discussions, Yumi? Do they provide insight? Reinforce your ideas? Provide interaction? What more are you looking for in terms of responses? Even after multiple pages on multiple threads, you still seem to be wanting something for the forum community. What is it?
Yumi Murakami
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09-08-2009 08:54
From: Annaleigh Hawksby
All your threads seem to morph into the same back-and-forth with the same question(s) asked and answered again and again. What do you get out of these discussions, Yumi? Do they provide insight? Reinforce your ideas? Provide interaction? What more are you looking for in terms of responses? Even after multiple pages on multiple threads, you still seem to be wanting something for the forum community. What is it?


What I want is for the negative things I'm thinking to be shown to be wrong, but in terms of an overall model that makes sense and that scales up, rather than just a few observations. After all, "observation tells you what Bill Gates gets; scalability tells you what you get'.
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09-08-2009 09:03
The world is not a deterministic finite-state automaton.
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09-08-2009 09:25
From: Argent Stonecutter
The world is not a deterministic finite-state automaton.


It isn't, but I'm not asking the whole world to be.

For example, I've said several times that one problem is that the groups that are established with content already usually have content of sufficient quality that improving it is either not within the capacity of the platform, or would require the improver to devote themselves entirely to creation and abandon actually joining the group. You've said I'm wrong, but you've never explained what model you believe exists instead. In your own head, you must have some model of what is going on that enables you to say that I'm wrong.
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09-08-2009 09:38
From: Yumi Murakami
I've said several times that one problem is that the groups that are established with content already usually have content of sufficient quality that improving it is either not within the capacity of the platform, or would require the improver to devote themselves entirely to creation and abandon actually joining the group.
And yet people manage to create new content that's interesting to people, AND hang out, all without turning into some kind of creepy hermit. This isn't "modeling", this is plain and simple observation. Direct and personal experience. I can't write you a program for dealing with the world, but I *can* tell you what works for me, and thousands of other people. And just, go and interact with people, be interested in them, share your cool stuff with them if you come up with any, but don't sweat it if you don't... and above all go and DO it.

I'm walking away now. Bye.
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Yumi Murakami
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09-08-2009 09:44
From: Argent Stonecutter
And yet people manage to create new content that's interesting to people, AND hang out, all without turning into some kind of creepy hermit. This isn't "modeling", this is plain and simple observation. Direct and personal experience. I can't write you a program for dealing with the world, but I *can* tell you what works for me, and thousands of other people. And just, go and interact with people, be interested in them, share your cool stuff with them if you come up with any, but don't sweat it if you don't... and above all go and DO it.


*nod* And as I said, the problem is, observation tells you what Bill Gates gets. Only scalability tells you what YOU get.

It might work for you and thousands of other people, but that is less than 0.1% of SL. A statement that was only true 0.1% of the time about other things would normally be considered incorrect. I do not wish to be one of the tens of thousands of others who try to do this, fail, but incidentally fund the world by their lost dreams.
Annaleigh Hawksby
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09-08-2009 09:55
From: Yumi Murakami
What I want is for the negative things I'm thinking to be shown to be wrong, but in terms of an overall model that makes sense and that scales up, rather than just a few observations. After all, "observation tells you what Bill Gates gets; scalability tells you what you get'.
And what does it tell you that you haven't received an acceptable answer after multiple threads with pages of replies?
sable Valentine
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09-08-2009 10:04
From: Annaleigh Hawksby
And what does it tell you that you haven't received an acceptable answer after multiple threads with pages of replies?



That and this thread is exhausting. Reminds to a certain extent threads from the young lady comes on the forum complaining how no one likes her, how she is disappointed in sl she is and contemplating suicide. No OP is not (as far as know) contemplating suicide, but OP doesn't appear to take the advice that is given. That is where the similiarities lie.

If you don't want to take anyone's advice in this thread and the responses from your other similiar threads, then please just stop asking.
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09-08-2009 10:14
From: Annaleigh Hawksby
And what does it tell you that you haven't received an acceptable answer after multiple threads with pages of replies?


That I'm being rejected, because people are refusing to identify the actual answer. (It must exist in their heads, after all.)
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09-08-2009 10:18
From: Yumi Murakami
That I'm being rejected, because people are refusing to identify the actual answer. (It must exist in their heads, after all.)


What was the Question again?
Annaleigh Hawksby
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09-08-2009 10:37
From: Yumi Murakami
That I'm being rejected, because people are refusing to identify the actual answer. (It must exist in their heads, after all.)
You think people here have the answers you seek but are purposefully withholding them or willfully misconstruing your questions to avoid providing the answers?
Yumi Murakami
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09-08-2009 10:56
From: Annaleigh Hawksby
You think people here have the answers you seek but are purposefully withholding them or willfully misconstruing your questions to avoid providing the answers?


Possibly; or that they just don't care enough to take the time to think the questions and their answers all the way through (eg, if you have already posted the answer before, surely that tells you it's not the right answer?). Either way, it's a bit of a rejection.
Annaleigh Hawksby
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09-08-2009 11:15
From: Yumi Murakami
Possibly; or that they just don't care enough to take the time to think the questions and their answers all the way through (eg, if you have already posted the answer before, surely that tells you it's not the right answer?). Either way, it's a bit of a rejection.
You said, "if you have already posted the answer before, surely that tells you it's not the right answer". The flip side of this is if you have already posted the question before and received pages of answers from multiple people that you reject, surely that tells you it's not the right question or you are incorrectly discounting the answer(s) provided.
Rasecel Masatada
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09-08-2009 15:03
Walks away mumbling something about how mentally masturbatory this exercise is and if Yumi is so damned wise, why doesn't he look within for the answer?
BYE...!
Clarissa Lowell
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09-08-2009 15:07
From: Annaleigh Hawksby
You said, "if you have already posted the answer before, surely that tells you it's not the right answer". The flip side of this is if you have already posted the question before and received pages of answers from multiple people that you reject, surely that tells you it's not the right question or you are incorrectly discounting the answer(s) provided.


Irony alert. Well spotted, Annaleigh.

Yumi is the one repeatedly rejecting US.

/me agrees this is OCD in action btw.
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09-08-2009 15:33
From: Annaleigh Hawksby
You said, "if you have already posted the answer before, surely that tells you it's not the right answer". The flip side of this is if you have already posted the question before and received pages of answers from multiple people that you reject, surely that tells you it's not the right question or you are incorrectly discounting the answer(s) provided.


Since those "pages of answers" are just the same answer over and over again - by YOUR (ie, others') choice - I'm actually only discounting one answer.

I'm "rejecting" your answers because they don't propose alternate models that make sense.

For the people who are referring to OCD, I _did_ mention this thread to my OCD therapist, and she basically said that "since they are just random internet peoples, the quality of their advice is under much greater suspicion than your reaction to it".
sable Valentine
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09-08-2009 18:01
From: Yumi Murakami
For the people who are referring to OCD, I _did_ mention this thread to my OCD therapist, and she basically said that "since they are just random internet peoples, the quality of their advice is under much greater suspicion than your reaction to it".



Then , why do you keep asking?

Listen to your therapist, just stop. This is not a therapy group!


/me politely walks away.
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09-08-2009 19:41
From: Dove Randt
What I am saying is this is secondlife there are no curtesy rules. No one respects anybody in here...But I tend to find the worst in people or maybe it is my string of bad luck. From what I have seen, people leave all respect and common curtesy at the log in page and become complete a**holes when they log in.

As far as im concerned respect is completely earned in sl and definitely not given


I'm only quoting you Dove cause I think you wrote this quite well on how many people could see peoples actions as the OP intended it.

"No one respects anyone in here" I think thats kind of a generalization of people and could be considered rude as well, but I can understand your view on it. I however don't share your view. Altho I understand people can perceive others actions as rude at times, they still need to put the shoe on the other foot. Understanding that people have an RL is something you need to take into consideration.

If I happen to be talking to someone in game, and something comes up in RL I may be abrupt and leave. I usually make a comment such as.. "I gotta run" and may provide a quick reason. Once again I may provide a quick reason but don't always. Why? Because my RL life is much more important than SL, and same goes for the people in it. My RL friendships, relationships, partner, family trumps anything you could ever have with me in a game.

So when it comes to being courteous maybe you should be more understanding of peoples views on the importance of their real life. Heres a couple quick examples to why I will up and leave your conversation in a heartbeat without saying much at all..

cooking, need to head out the door, late for an appointment, just checking ims and leaving soon, something is on TV I wanted to watch, my spouse wants to talk, family has come over, one of my pets is in danger or doing something bad, etc etc.

The list can go on and on. Really its not meant to be offensive if I get up and leave quick, and if its taken that way ever by anyone too bad. I have an RL life much as anyone else in game and I will tend to it when I feel it is necessary. Everyone I happen to talk to understands this it seems, and they do the very same thing. I can't say I've ever been insulted or felt people weren't being courteous.
Yumi Murakami
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09-09-2009 13:42
From: sable Valentine
Then , why do you keep asking?

Listen to your therapist, just stop. This is not a therapy group!


She wasn't saying I should stop. She was saying any problem I had with your advice was more likely your fault than mine. From her point of view, at least - after all, she has met me and not you.

I keep asking because for some reason people refuse to help me, even though they have helped others in similar ways, and so I'm trying to find out why so I can fix that. The answer isn't "because you keep rejecting answers" because I've seen others get much better answers than me, and those could have been given to me first time.
23rdDjin Negulesco
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09-09-2009 14:13
print out this thread, unedited, and take it in for her to read the next time you go in. unless you can truly remove yourself from it and look at it objectively, then you most likely aren't describing the situation to her properly (and it may well give her insight on things that you may be holding back unknowingly).
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Yumi Murakami
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09-09-2009 14:21
From: 23rdDjin Negulesco
print out this thread, unedited, and take it in for her to read the next time you go in. unless you can truly remove yourself from it and look at it objectively, then you most likely aren't describing the situation to her properly (and it may well give her insight on things that you may be holding back unknowingly).


All I need to look at it objectively is to look at other threads where other people have asked essentially the same thing and gotten much more helpful responses.
23rdDjin Negulesco
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09-09-2009 14:35
i have yet to see observe you look at anything objectively. try what i just suggested and prove me wrong.
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09-09-2009 14:47
From: Yumi Murakami
She wasn't saying I should stop. She was saying any problem I had with your advice was more likely your fault than mine. From her point of view, at least - after all, she has met me and not you.


Some therapists have absolutely no interest in "curing" people and losing that income. You might want a second opinion.

From: Yumi Murakami
I keep asking because for some reason people refuse to help me, even though they have helped others in similar ways, and so I'm trying to find out why so I can fix that. The answer isn't "because you keep rejecting answers" because I've seen others get much better answers than me, and those could have been given to me first time.


If you've already seen the answers elsewhere; why are you asking again? Please read my previous post which you ignored. Nobody wants to hear you go on and on about yourself without any seeming recognition that others exist for any purposes other than to satisfy your needs. I would suggest spending some time helping others without thinking of yourself or what you might get in return. Your current attitude is driving people away.
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