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Ciaran Laval
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09-05-2008 18:57
They pick the one that suits their views. But they don't walk in to vote and get handed a couple bucks to vote for Bob instead of Joe. which is what happens with paid picks Oh stop it. People place picks because they want to. People vote a certain way, because they want to. When either issue is forced upon someone against their will, then the complaint is valid. |
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MortVent Charron
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09-05-2008 18:57
The important part there being "You're willing to do for the reward". The individual is willing, not forced. But it removes the value of the pick as being a favorite place , and turns it into a billboard. It also created the market for a new type of bot, pick bots that are nothing but pick farms for people for the reward. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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09-05-2008 18:58
How the bloody hell can your own decision to place a pick be someone else's decision? remember you cant change your pick after being paid .. there are penalties They will network ban you. |
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MortVent Charron
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09-05-2008 18:59
Oh stop it. People place picks because they want to. People vote a certain way, because they want to. When either issue is forced upon someone against their will, then the complaint is valid. They pick the paid picks because they want the reward. They don't want the pick as a favorite, so they throw away the real value for the reward. It's like getting a couple hundred bucks so you vote for the independent in the election that you care nothing about or even hope doesn't win. _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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09-05-2008 18:59
Please stop puposely being so dense. Once you are paid to place a place in your Picks it belongs to the one paying you, why do these places have so many stipulations to 'your' picks? Because they are no longer your picks. Im sorry if I cant make it any clearer Balderdash. People place a pick because they want to. How on earth can you not grasp this? The person wants to place that pick, this really isn't a difficult concept to grasp. |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-05-2008 19:00
remember you cant change your pick after being paid .. there are penalties They will network ban you. And? That again is an individual decision. |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-05-2008 19:02
They pick the paid picks because they want the reward. Bingo, so the value of that reward is enough for them to decide to place that pick. They don't want the pick as a favorite, so they throw away the real value for the reward. The reward makes it a favourite. |
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Toy LaFollette
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09-05-2008 19:05
Balderdash. People place a pick because they want to. How on earth can you not grasp this? The person wants to place that pick, this really isn't a difficult concept to grasp. You are right on one point, it is ones choice to game the system and sell ones self respect, however it is still gamming the system. Its something I wound never do. I dislike seeing anyone game the system and selling picks is gaming... its your choice to let someone else tell you what to do with your picks for a few pennies, your choice to play into the hand of those who must try any way to cheat. But they are no longer your picks, you are told what to do so no longer yours. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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09-05-2008 19:05
And? That again is an individual decision. I thought they liked the place because they got money. |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-05-2008 19:08
But they are no longer your picks, you are told what to do so no longer yours. When someone forces me to place a pick, then they will no longer be my picks. I'm yet to see that scenario. Maybe it does happen, but it's not going to be via paid picks, it's going to be via businesses making it a condition of the terms and conditions of employment and even then the individual can decide not to work for that business. |
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MortVent Charron
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09-05-2008 19:09
Bingo, so the value of that reward is enough for them to decide to place that pick. The reward makes it a favourite. Nope it makes it an advert, not a favorite. It's like saying you eating garlic ice cream versus chocolate because the ice cream maker pays you a buck a bowl. You may love the chocolate but you're willing to suck it up and eat the other even though you dislike it immensely in order to make a buck. Garlic ice cream isn't your favorite, you're just paid to pretend it is. It's called lying to be honest about it. You're paid to lie and say this location is one of your favorites. _____________________
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Toy LaFollette
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09-05-2008 19:10
When someone forces me to place a pick, then they will no longer be my picks. I'm yet to see that scenario. Maybe it does happen, but it's not going to be via paid picks, it's going to be via businesses making it a condition of the terms and conditions of employment and even then the individual can decide not to work for that business. when quoting me pls quote the whole thing, I never post huge posts and hacking a quote is misleading. TY _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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09-05-2008 19:10
I thought they liked the place because they got money. And then they changed their mind and decided the money wasn't worth it to place that pick on their profile. It's about choice Colette. |
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Colette Meiji
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09-05-2008 19:10
When someone forces me to place a pick, then they will no longer be my picks. I'm yet to see that scenario. Maybe it does happen, but it's not going to be via paid picks, it's going to be via businesses making it a condition of the terms and conditions of employment and even then the individual can decide not to work for that business. So how about people having lots of alts and selling all their picks? Now personal preference goes RIGHT out the window. ----------------------- You are cool with being paid for votes, but Unless you live in Chicago you only get to vote once. |
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Colette Meiji
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09-05-2008 19:13
And then they changed their mind and decided the money wasn't worth it to place that pick on their profile. It's about choice Colette. The person BUYING the picks isn't choosing - the person BUYING the picks is Gaming the system. Manipulating the Search results , etc. Its the same concept as the Traffic gaming. You were not around for the world before camping so you have no clue how fucked up beyond all recognition the Search is now. |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-05-2008 19:15
when quoting me pls quote the whole thing, I never post huge posts and hacking a quote is misleading. TY What was misleading about it? Your point was that they're not your picks when you're paid, I beg to differ. Why should I quote the whole post again, it's only a few posts up. If the part I'd quoted had been in any way contradictory to your overall point then i'd see why you're complaining, but it wasn't. |
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MortVent Charron
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09-05-2008 19:17
What was misleading about it? Your point was that they're not your picks when you're paid, I beg to differ. Why should I quote the whole post again, it's only a few posts up. If the part I'd quoted had been in any way contradictory to your overall point then i'd see why you're complaining, but it wasn't. so if you were paid for it, garlic ice cream would be your favorite even if you really prefer chocolate? _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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09-05-2008 19:17
So how about people having lots of alts and selling all their picks? Now personal preference goes RIGHT out the window. Well I don't think people should be allowed umpteen alts but that's a whole different kettle of fish. |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-05-2008 19:18
so if you were paid for it, garlic ice cream would be your favorite even if you really prefer chocolate? No, but then again I wouldn't place a pick for somewhere that I didn't like. |
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Colette Meiji
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09-05-2008 19:20
Well I don't think people should be allowed umpteen alts but that's a whole different kettle of fish. well that would solve the trafficbot problem. |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-05-2008 19:20
The person BUYING the picks isn't choosing - the person BUYING the picks is Gaming the system. Manipulating the Search results , etc. Its the same concept as the Traffic gaming. It's the same concept as camping, yes. I said earlier that it wasn't like there hadn't been precedents about such matters. You were not around for the world before camping so you have no clue how fucked up beyond all recognition the Search is now. But that's where we are now. The system isn't going to go back to how it was in 2005, things change. |
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Toy LaFollette
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09-05-2008 19:21
What was misleading about it? Your point was that they're not your picks when you're paid, I beg to differ. Why should I quote the whole post again, it's only a few posts up. If the part I'd quoted had been in any way contradictory to your overall point then i'd see why you're complaining, but it wasn't. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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09-05-2008 19:22
But that's where we are now. The system isn't going to go back to how it was in 2005, things change. Yes .. we are arguing that some of the change is ROTTEN. We should be allowed to speak out about things changing for the worse. You would know they had changed for the worse if you had been there .. and thus my comment. |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-05-2008 19:28
Yes .. we are arguing that some of the change is ROTTEN. We should be allowed to speak out about things changing for the worse. You would know they had changed for the worse if you had been there .. and thus my comment. I'll be the last person you'll see saying you shouldn't speak out. People are entitled to their opinions. |
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MortVent Charron
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09-05-2008 19:36
I'll be the last person you'll see saying you shouldn't speak out. People are entitled to their opinions. Oh, and yet you call those that want the traffic bot issue to be fixed whiners... _____________________
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