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Is Paying for Links in Profile Picks Cheating?

Toy LaFollette
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09-12-2008 14:26
maybe not cheating since LL allows it for now but sleazy? yup..... BTW Phil I will not reply to posts of yours, you become obsessive :)
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09-12-2008 14:34
From: Toy LaFollette
maybe not cheating since LL allows it for now but sleazy? yup..... BTW Phil I will not reply to posts of yours, you become obsessive :)
Wow, that hurts! *You* won't reply to my posts? Hell fire. What'll I do now :(
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Colette Meiji
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09-12-2008 14:40
From: Ciaran Laval
That's generally how rules and laws work Colette. There are national speed limit signs on my route to work, they used to mean end of speed limit but one day someone decided that letting people hare around at silly speeds wasn't sensible, so they changed the rules and the signs now mean something else. The people who previously drove on these roads at speeds that are in excess of the current limit weren't speeding back when the sign meant something else.

There's a difference between something like paid picks and something like, say, finding you can manipulate auctions.


Yes but you don't see what you are doing Ciaran?


Those tangents assumed it was possible to cheat even if LL doesn't declare it officially cheating.

But you are saying those points can't work because LL wont declare it cheating!

How does that work? Its Circular logic.
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09-12-2008 14:41
From: Phil Deakins
Wow, that hurts! *You* won't reply to my posts? Hell fire. What'll I do now :(


probably act like an ass about it, like you just did.
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09-12-2008 14:43
Would Directly *Hacking* the All Search be cheating?


Would Directly Bribing a Linden to put your store at the top of the All Search be cheating?
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09-12-2008 15:53
From: Phil Deakins
You never used to get involved in these threads to this extent, but now you are very involved in replying to my posts, and I can only believe that it's personal.
That's a joke right? :confused:

You can look at threads about search gaming back to before you even joined SL and you'll see me actively objecting to gaming of any kind again, again and again.

If I stop posting for a while it's because it's all already been said and I don't particularly feel like repeating points that I've already made 10 times before, especially when you deliberately misinterpret things all the time and keep "demanding" answers to questions ad nauseum when it's already been answered in a dozen different ways .

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You're inventing things. I never said anything like that, or even hinted at it.
The proper response to "And yes, I do think I get your point" is "Actually, no, my point was..." if someone happens to guess wrong. I made a guess as to what you meant and it's phrased as such.

Apparantly I guessed wrong, you could have just pointed that out and possibly clarrified why you did say it instead of looking for some hidden personal grievance :rolleyes:.

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I'm not going to be friendly with you again, and you know why. I won't allow you to screw up threads just because you want to hit back. You can either join Colette and Pie, or you can go back to posting sensibly. It's your choice.
Whatever possessed you to conjure up a non-existant friendship is really beyond me: just because you discuss something with someone doesn't mean you're friends.

If you want to project animosity towards you onto every post I make that's really your own business and doing, I never felt anything but indifference to you or pretty much anyone else on the forums.

You're pointing to an apple and asking "what do you think this is?" so I'll answer "apple" every time you ask. If want to hear "pear" and hence don't like my answer that doesn't mean I have something personal against you, that's just in your head.
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09-12-2008 15:58
From: Nyoko Salome
chip, you are discussing matters of honor with those who do not have capacity to share in it (too bad)... just leave them alone to piss over each other.
The topic of this thread is, "Is Paying for Links in Profile Picks Cheating". The quoted reply in this topic is from the very person who asked people in this forum to add her place to their Picks so that she could get above someone in the rankings. I don't think I need to expand on that.

I actually added her place to my picks and kept it in them until that nasty post.
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09-12-2008 16:00
From: Kitty Barnett
That's a joke right? :confused:

You can look at threads about search gaming back to before you even joined SL and you'll see me actively objecting to gaming of any kind again, again and again.

If I stop posting for a while it's because it's all already been said and I don't particularly feel like repeating points that I've already made 10 times before, especially when you deliberately misinterpret things all the time and keep "demanding" answers to questions ad nauseum when it's already been answered in a dozen different ways .

The proper response to "And yes, I do think I get your point" is "Actually, no, my point was..." if someone happens to guess wrong. I made a guess as to what you meant and it's phrased as such.

Apparantly I guessed wrong, you could have just pointed that out and possibly clarrified why you did say it instead of looking for some hidden personal grievance :rolleyes:.

Whatever possessed you to conjure up a non-existant friendship is really beyond me: just because you discuss something with someone doesn't mean you're friends.

If you want to project animosity towards you onto every post I make that's really your own business and doing, I never felt anything but indifference to you or pretty much anyone else on the forums.

You're pointing to an apple and asking "what do you think this is?" so I'll answer "apple" every time you ask. If want to hear "pear" and hence don't like my answer that doesn't mean I have something personal against you, that's just in your head.
I asked 2 simple question. You replied with an extended post, but without even attempting to answer the questions. What can I say?

And I said "friendly" - I didn't say "friendship" because we didn't have that, but we were friendly.
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Ciaran Laval
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09-12-2008 16:01
From: MortVent Charron
So where is the flag on a profile pick that shows it as being a paid endorsement?

Come now, in magazines the ads made to look like legit articles have to have the rider text that can be read stating they are paid adverts.


The same place as the flag that is on an avatar's profile when they came here via a fellow residents referal perhaps :p
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09-12-2008 16:02
Anyway, this thread has gone astray again, and I'm stupid enough to go with the flow, so I'll bow out of it.
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Colette Meiji
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09-12-2008 16:02
From: Phil Deakins
I asked 2 simple question. You replied with an extended post, but without even attempting to answer the questions. What can I say?


hahahahahahahaha

Yeah Phil never does that.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Ciaran Laval
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09-12-2008 16:08
From: Colette Meiji
Would Directly *Hacking* the All Search be cheating?


Yes.


From: Colette Meiji
Would Directly Bribing a Linden to put your store at the top of the All Search be cheating?


Yes. However paid picks do neither of those things, never have, never will. if you're trying to equate paid picks with bribery then you need to try again.
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09-12-2008 16:31
From: Ciaran Laval
Yes.




Yes. However paid picks do neither of those things, never have, never will. if you're trying to equate paid picks with bribery then you need to try again.


Are you not saying it's wrong to bribe a linden... but okay to bribe someone to put up a pick to your store?
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09-12-2008 16:34
From: MortVent Charron
Are you not saying it's wrong to bribe a linden... but okay to bribe someone to put up a pick to your store?


As I said Mort, if you're trying to equate paid picks with bribery you need to think again.

I'll help you out here:

Are freebies bribery?

Is the concept of buy one get one free bribery?

Are sales bribery?

Are referals from Linden Lab (I know you can't bring yourself to accept Linden Lab engage in common business practices) bribery?
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09-12-2008 16:35
From: Ciaran Laval
As I said Mort, if you're trying to equate paid picks with bribery you need to think again.

I'll help you out here:

Are freebies bribery?

Is the concept of buy one get one free bribery?

Are sales bribery?

Are referals from Linden Lab (I know you can't bring yourself to accept Linden Lab engage in common business practices) bribery?


The answer to all is yes
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09-12-2008 16:38
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The answer to all is yes


I thought the answer to all is 42
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09-12-2008 16:39
From: Brenda Connolly
I thought the answer to all is 42
Plus VAT ;)
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09-12-2008 16:40
From: MortVent Charron
The answer to all is yes


I think you need to go and rexamine the definition of bribery, pay close attention the criminal action part.
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09-12-2008 16:56
From: Ciaran Laval
I think you need to go and rexamine the definition of bribery, pay close attention the criminal action part.


bribe
n.
1. Something, such as money or a favor, offered or given to a person in a position of trust to influence that person's views or conduct.
2. Something serving to influence or persuade.
v. bribed, brib·ing, bribes
v.tr.
To give, offer, or promise a bribe to.
v.intr.
To give, offer, or promise bribes.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Bribery

Key sentence: The offence may be divided into two great classes—the one where a person invested with power is induced by payment to use it unjustly; the other, where power is obtained by purchasing the suffrages of those who can impart it.


And since you use bribery to convince a dog to do a trick, or get a child to shut up. It isn't just the legal but section two of the top one that applies... since the bribe (be it a freebie, lindens, etc) is used to influence or persuade a person to do something.

Shouldn't you do more research and reasoning?
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09-12-2008 17:00
From: Phil Deakins
I asked 2 simple question. You replied with an extended post, but without even attempting to answer the questions. What can I say?
Please find even one person who thinks I didn't go out of my way to give you answer in half a dozen different ways (not to mention the fact that others give you one as well)

1: /327/8c/280343/28.html#post2145544
2: /327/8c/280343/28.html#post2145642
3: /327/8c/280343/29.html#post2145725
4: /327/8c/280343/29.html#post2145790
5: /327/8c/280343/29.html#post2145868

Each time you basically complain that I'm writing too many words and you want a "simple" answer.

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From: Phil Deakins
The question of this thread is, "Is paying for links in profile picks cheating?" It's a very simple question and I'm trying to keep it simple, without shooting off at tangents.
Some people think it is, other think it's not so: "it depends".

Is that simple enough for you?
That isn't even a poor attempt to answer the questions, Kitty.
You don't like it when it's an argumented answer (whether you agree with the answer really doesn't matter) and you demand a simple answer and when I give you an answer that's as simple as it can get you say it's a "poor attempt" :rolleyes:.

In addition #691 wasn't even adressed at you yet you berate me for posting something in response to someone other than you (#695).

You definitely got an answer: different answers, multiple times by multiple people. The fact that you didn't like the answer or didn't agree with it doesn't negate the fact that it was answered. Clinging to "but noone answered" is beyond ridiculous.
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09-12-2008 17:04
From: MortVent Charron
And since you use bribery to convince a dog to do a trick, or get a child to shut up. It isn't just the legal but section two of the top one that applies... since the bribe (be it a freebie, lindens, etc) is used to influence or persuade a person to do something.

Shouldn't you do more research and reasoning?


Err no Mort, following your line of thinking the whole world is run on bribes, which would mean that bribery is all fine and dandy. Forgive me for not quite agreeing with that.
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09-12-2008 17:08
From: Ciaran Laval
Err no Mort, following your line of thinking the whole world is run on bribes, which would mean that bribery is all fine and dandy. Forgive me for not quite agreeing with that.


Is it not?

There are legalized times when a bribe is considered wrong and punishable by law.

But there are always bribes being offered.

When you go to the store, are you not offered an incentive or bribe to buy brand x instead of brand y? Be it a different toy in the cereal box, a bigger discount through the store card (which is a bribe to better monitor your shopping habits for marketing purposes), etc...

The other offer isn't the carrot but the stick, so to be honest there are two things that make the world go round:

The offer of bribes to behave or do something, or the offer of punishment for not doing something.
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09-12-2008 17:14
From: MortVent Charron
When you go to the store, are you not offered an incentive or bribe to buy brand x instead of brand y?


No I'm not, bribery is a criminal offence.
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09-12-2008 17:19
From: Ciaran Laval
No I'm not, bribery is a criminal offence.


So you are not offered a discount on a product in order to buy one product vs it's competitor?

You are offered a bribe to influence your buying choices every time you go to the store, be it coupons, sales, etc.

Sticking to the definition of bribe as a means of illegal gaining favor of a person in power, is to ignore the fact it is also the legal means to influence a person to do something.

After all how many times have you bought something because they offered an incentive, such as two for one?

That was being bribed to purchase it.

It's no more illegal than the bribery of reading a child a story to get them to go to bed early.
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09-12-2008 17:22
From: MortVent Charron
So you are not offered a discount on a product in order to buy one product vs it's competitor?

You are offered a bribe to influence your buying choices every time you go to the store, be it coupons, sales, etc.

Sticking to the definition of bribe as a means of illegal gaining favor of a person in power, is to ignore the fact it is also the legal means to influence a person to do something.

After all how many times have you bought something because they offered an incentive, such as two for one?

That was being bribed to purchase it.

It's no more illegal than the bribery of reading a child a story to get them to go to bed early.

Once upon a time.......
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