Is Paying for Links in Profile Picks Cheating?

Banking - legal reasons
Ageplay - legal reasons
Casinos - legal reasons

So I doubt it will help, since no legal issues are relevant here. Or you must believe that because doping in sport is forbidden, search optimizing will be too...

ROTFLMAO !!

Rene. You just shot your your credibility BIG TIME
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Or paying for more picks than others. What was the post here - that someone was paying US$450 a month for picks?



Using the Picks on Premium bot accounts is paying LL for picks, albeit indirectly.



Using trafficbots is, at least, questionable. You have acknowledged that if everyone did it, the Lindens would have to act against it.



Until someone tries for 20 years to write one that does, we don't know that.

Also, search methods could be used that would make this irrelevant, such as Matrix Search (ya know, like what happened when Neo searched for "gun"? ). Actually, a resi did an inter-grid experiment recently which could facilitate Matrix Search..



There's a fixed set of steps that are known, and beyond that it's a secret-hunting arms race. And we all know what happens in an arms race - everyone loses, but people still race, because the people who don't race lose more. I think many people would rather stop that before it begins, thus these comments.

It was not a bit relevant to his quote, you tried to get me in to a corner. Failed too.

As for contributing to a sticky: Picks seem no longer an important factor in search all. Feel free to add that.
Furthermore, I am in no way responsible for sharing my knowledge. We are not talking secrets here, so what I know everyone can find out. Don't forget that the information Phil shared, was a favor to us all. It was the base of that sticky. And I would not be surprised that he already regrets that.

"We" discuss? No, others discuss, and you throw wood on the fire. Avoiding any question directed towards you.

I did not say you had used such language. Read more carefully.

You are entitled to your opinion.

You are wrong though.

The last information I have, is that there are businesses paying 200 linden per week even.


Anyone doing that? Would make no sense, all they need is payment info on file, and even that is no guarantee as far as I know.


But they hardly not contribute to his #1 in search all. In Search Places he is not #1 by far.


No there is no secret info race. There are people either to lazy or not interested enough to find it out, that is another issue. If you want to rank well, you can without knowing any secret.

Many "secrets" _could_ technically be found out by anyone. That doesn't stop them being secrets. What makes them secrets is that people who know them don't like to share - and you've just confirmed that.

And no, you're not responsible for sharing your knowledge, but the problem is, if everyone knew everything you did we would all be in a big tie at the top of Search - or not. As I mentioned, it's an arms race. And everybody loses.

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Ad Farms - in game reasons.
Age Play - Mostly PR reasons
Banking - concerns of possible legal reasons/claims of fraud.

Now there you have hit on the core of all these threads.

You appear to be under the impression that all businesses will use any available means to succeed.
They don't. Many businesses refuse to use available means that are unethical.

You appear to be saying that hard work somehow excuses sharp practice.
It doesn't.

Add farms - true, and the worst enforced one too. Plus the fact they hurt their own interest in mainland. But true, in-world.

Age play: legal issues in Germany, as far as I remember

Banking: as I said indeed, legal reasons.

Of course, how could anyone doubt you. Just out of interest, did you in your posting history ever admit you were wrong about something? And before you ask a question back: yes I did.

Now I do not know if everybody looses, so far I am not loosing, though things may change.

The problem with sharing knowledge is that the reward is already known. Ask Phil how he got thanks for his great posting about Search All. So for me, I cannot be bothered anymore.

Age Play: It was bad PR in Germany - it never got to any legal challenge. It was a news piece and some threats by reporters.

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Banking: What law was being broken? I was involved in that debate, If one was I'd like to know which since neither side brought it up.

People were speculating it might be illegal.
And bank owners were scamming people in SL .. thats all.

Yes, but to how many people?



Well, extra alts cost US$9.95, so they would still be paying out money.



No, if the information was not "secret" you would post all you know. In order for it truly not to be secret, there would have to be no reason why you would NOT post all you know. And there is an info race because, if everyone optimizes in all the possible ways, nobody gains anything from optimization - except that the next new person to open a business has to climb a huge mountain. No gain for anyone, really.

Because Phil was fairly blunt that he was giving out _some_ of the information, while keeping just enough to himself that he would continue to be able to win.

As I say, I don't blame Phil for that. For the information NOT to be "a secret" there would have to be no reason why anyone would refuse to share it.

Of course I have admitted to be wrong about things before.

But I am not wrong on this point.

I very specifically said I thought I was being reserved considering the types of things you three were saying about me.

I didn't say "Because you used X word" at all.

I consider people throwing around accusations that someone is a "troll" or that someone is a "shit-stirrer" or that someone is only interested in causing problems and not discussion, and various other garbage ..

Worse than saying to someone "too fucking bad" if they don't like the response they got to a post.

I cant even believe you have pressed me into making this explanation. Do you somehow think you have not said disparaging things about me?

Believe me, I would rather have pressed you in giving a normal reply to my initial questions to you. Would have contributed way more to the actual discussion.

And yes, I have said my opinion about you, in decent words. Not called you a troll, shit-stirrer, or anything. I tend to keep my end of discussions civilized.

lol- how niave can you get?
Marcel & Phil should give up their advantages and share it with the masses.
Funniest thing i have heard to date!

So you object to the word "fucking" not that I told you "too bad"

Even though I have not offered similar negative critiques about you no matter how nicely worded.


So if I were to say .....

"Why Marcel you lack vision, the ability to think abstractly and the ability to apply that to a comparison. Pardon me for using such nice language"

That would be cool.

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But for me to say

"too Fucking bad" which doesn't actually criticize YOU at all ...

that is objectionable.

Well Phil has admitted in the past to using an exploit to manipulate search.

So it makes sense if he is still using some that he wouldn't want to post or share info on it so it could be fixed.


As for his learning thing: People learn how to avoid scams, and scammers learn new tricks. Just because you learn a new trick to manipulate search does not mean it's a good thing.

No idea, the place that advertised the 200 linden does not show up in my webstats, so it might have been a stupid advertisement in group chat for this product.


Not true, extra alts are free. Bad enough so.



There a difference between secrets and things people do not know but can easily find out for themselves. It is not secret but it takes some effort to find out.

so you think you bring in an army of traffic bots all loaded with picks and they help with relevancy in ALL search ......is that what you are agreeing with?

But I never said that.

I said only the ones that "counted" You must have missed the thread where they were discussing how to figure out if they count for IBLs.