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do the permantly banned deserve a 2nd chance at 2nd life

Jig Chippewa
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06-28-2009 08:33
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Me 2

Pep (First evah me 2 post and it is agreeing with Jig and Jumpy; what is the world coming to?)

PS A chicken just flew past my window claiming the sky was falling.


It's not falling - its just maybe we not so starry-eyed as some so we KNOW what people are capable of.

Shoot the chicken - it's a pheasant - and hang it for a coupla weeks. Then it should be nice and gamey. It'll be "ripe for the plucking". :)
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Jumpman Lane
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06-28-2009 09:31
From: Jig Chippewa
It's not falling - its just maybe we not so starry-eyed as some so we KNOW what people are capable of.

Shoot the chicken - it's a pheasant - and hang it for a coupla weeks. Then it should be nice and gamey. It'll be "ripe for the plucking". :)

true ive had to deal with a few nasties and some of them dont need to ever come back, jig. pep u must be dreaming, u didnt really agree, u didnt really agree. hehehehe or did ya :p
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Pserendipity Daniels
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06-28-2009 09:53
From: Jumpman Lane
true ive had to deal with a few nasties and some of them dont need to ever come back, jig. pep u must be dreaming, u didnt really agree, u didnt really agree. hehehehe or did ya :p

Dreaming? I suppose so. You *are* just a figment of my imagination after all, aren't you.

Pep (Which is even more worrying.)
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Jumpman Lane
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06-28-2009 10:04
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Dreaming? I suppose so. You *are* just a figment of my imagination after all, aren't you.

Pep (Which is even more worrying.)

hehehehe i'mas real as they come pep ol' pal
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Pserendipity Daniels
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06-28-2009 10:09
From: Jumpman Lane
hehehehe i'mas real as they come pep ol' pal

Damn! I *must* concentrate harder when I am posting as Jumpy!

Pep (I spelled 'come' correctly; I wonder if anyone noticed? ;) )
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06-28-2009 10:15
Bwa Ha Ha Ha Ha
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Viktoria Dovgal
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06-28-2009 10:34
I haven't seen mention of it in ages, but do they still do that resident review panel thing for bans?
TigroSpottystripes Katsu
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06-28-2009 13:31
everyone needs another chance, specially with LL's record of punishing innocents and overpunishing small mistakes
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First they came for the ageplayers,
I remained silent 'cause I wasn't an ageplayer

Then they came for the furries,
I didn't protest 'cause I wasn't a furry

Then they came for the goreans,
I didn't speak up because I wasn't gorean

Then they came for me,
and there wasn't anyone left to speak up for me

Jumpman Lane
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06-28-2009 13:39
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Damn! I *must* concentrate harder when I am posting as Jumpy!

Pep (I spelled 'come' correctly; I wonder if anyone noticed? ;) )

if only you could be me lmao
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Jumpman Lane
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06-28-2009 13:40
From: TigroSpottystripes Katsu
everyone needs another chance, specially with LL's record of punishing innocents and overpunishing small mistakes

i unno some sim crashers were clearly in the wrong

From: Viktoria Dovgal
I haven't seen mention of it in ages, but do they still do that resident review panel thing for bans?

neverheard of it
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TigroSpottystripes Katsu
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06-28-2009 13:44
punishing bad people doesn't compensate harming good people
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From: someone
First they came for the ageplayers,
I remained silent 'cause I wasn't an ageplayer

Then they came for the furries,
I didn't protest 'cause I wasn't a furry

Then they came for the goreans,
I didn't speak up because I wasn't gorean

Then they came for me,
and there wasn't anyone left to speak up for me

Angelique LaFollette
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06-28-2009 13:57
One can get Multiple Warnings before one is suspended (I've seen this Numerous times) and One can get Multiple suspensions before being Permanantly Banned (I personally Know Two people who have had Two or more Bans and i might add have Cleaned up thier acts)

By the time a Perma-ban comes down the Pike for a Chronic Pain in the Posterior, S/He's probably Had Three or more Chances to Mend thier ways, and have Chosen to Hose down the wall with them.

I'm sorry but i have never been one to accept "Death Row Conversions"

If indeed the Chronic Offender is sincere, Has Found the Error of thier ways and Changed then i wish them well in whatever OTHER Platform they Choose to Continue thier On Line Life.
They've Made thier Mistakes, they have learned fro them, Now it's time they Move on, and get a fresh start Elsewhere, But LL gave them a Chance, and they Blew it.

Angel.
TigroSpottystripes Katsu
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06-28-2009 14:05
from what I've heard, somtimes the Ls do exercise their right to punish for "any or no reason", including without warnings and stuff
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From: someone
First they came for the ageplayers,
I remained silent 'cause I wasn't an ageplayer

Then they came for the furries,
I didn't protest 'cause I wasn't a furry

Then they came for the goreans,
I didn't speak up because I wasn't gorean

Then they came for me,
and there wasn't anyone left to speak up for me

Qie Niangao
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06-28-2009 14:15
From: Viktoria Dovgal
I haven't seen mention of it in ages, but do they still do that resident review panel thing for bans?
I only ever heard about this once, from Robin. Of course, everything about the process was kept confidential to the participants, so I don't know how consistently it was used. I got the vague impression it was used in the appeals process, not for every ban, but I don't know that, nor whether it was used for every appeal. And no idea if it's still used.

With Governance having no office hours anymore, I'm not sure who one could ask. I guess they're all still somewhere in Jack's organization. The first thing I checked at SL6B was the Lab exhibit to see if an org chart could be divined from anything there (as it was last year); if so, it eluded me.
Jumpman Lane
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06-28-2009 14:28
From: TigroSpottystripes Katsu
punishing bad people doesn't compensate harming good people

tell the lindens
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Jumpman Lane
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06-28-2009 14:33
From: Angelique LaFollette
One can get Multiple Warnings before one is suspended (I've seen this Numerous times) and One can get Multiple suspensions before being Permanantly Banned (I personally Know Two people who have had Two or more Bans and i might add have Cleaned up thier acts)

By the time a Perma-ban comes down the Pike for a Chronic Pain in the Posterior, S/He's probably Had Three or more Chances to Mend thier ways, and have Chosen to Hose down the wall with them.

I'm sorry but i have never been one to accept "Death Row Conversions"

If indeed the Chronic Offender is sincere, Has Found the Error of thier ways and Changed then i wish them well in whatever OTHER Platform they Choose to Continue thier On Line Life.
They've Made thier Mistakes, they have learned fro them, Now it's time they Move on, and get a fresh start Elsewhere, But LL gave them a Chance, and they Blew it.

Angel.

some bans were for acts like sim crashing intantly permanent. the reasonig i gathered from the g teamwas that they didnt want to ban anyone. tha warnings and suspenions were designed to modify behavior. but attck (global) against sl itself and certain frauds should be pnished. we r gonna explore this in our coming issue with interviws and a story on the "reformed" we wont reveal the permantly banned though or should we? (lindens will remove their alts if we do)
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Jumpman Lane
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06-28-2009 14:36
From: Qie Niangao
I only ever heard about this once, from Robin. Of course, everything about the process was kept confidential to the participants, so I don't know how consistently it was used. I got the vague impression it was used in the appeals process, not for every ban, but I don't know that, nor whether it was used for every appeal. And no idea if it's still used.

With Governance having no office hours anymore, I'm not sure who one could ask. I guess they're all still somewhere in Jack's organization. The first thing I checked at SL6B was the Lab exhibit to see if an org chart could be divined from anything there (as it was last year); if so, it eluded me.

from what i understand gteam has been swallowed by the resi team, havent seen zara online in ages (yay zara) might meessage robin on twitter for some inside dope. u'll have to see me in world and gimme the run down on the resident review for the ish qie
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TigroSpottystripes Katsu
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06-28-2009 14:40
if you wanna be a respectable reporter, ratting on your sources is a big nono
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From: someone
First they came for the ageplayers,
I remained silent 'cause I wasn't an ageplayer

Then they came for the furries,
I didn't protest 'cause I wasn't a furry

Then they came for the goreans,
I didn't speak up because I wasn't gorean

Then they came for me,
and there wasn't anyone left to speak up for me

Jumpman Lane
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Posts: 2,114
06-28-2009 14:47
From: TigroSpottystripes Katsu
if you wanna be a respectable reporter, ratting on your sources is a big nono

well they are so much sources.

one is apparently "reformed" and assured me lindens knew of her presence on the grid as she has acquireda bit of fame. she is the feature interview ( you can see WHO SHE is on the preiview of the next coveron our site www.slutmaginc.com)

the other is actually an enemy who m we traced to the teen grid (google rox) this enemy a notorious sim crasher is affiliated with a school rl and is makin n roads onto the teen grid that is he and his school will teach there.

i mean i unno, SHOULD someone who is permantly banned in sl, make an alt an d slink around the adult grid and EVEN be allowed access to the teen grid?
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TigroSpottystripes Katsu
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06-28-2009 15:00
that Professor Griefer thing is a bit curious

you've actually interviewed him? or all proof you got is from Google?

If you're actually outing people instead of interviewing them, matters are a bit different, but still, you gotta becarefull with accusing people of crimes publicly.
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████ world,
your ███████████

From: someone
First they came for the ageplayers,
I remained silent 'cause I wasn't an ageplayer

Then they came for the furries,
I didn't protest 'cause I wasn't a furry

Then they came for the goreans,
I didn't speak up because I wasn't gorean

Then they came for me,
and there wasn't anyone left to speak up for me

Viktoria Dovgal
Join date: 29 Jul 2007
Posts: 3,593
06-28-2009 15:04
From: Qie Niangao
I only ever heard about this once, from Robin. Of course, everything about the process was kept confidential to the participants, so I don't know how consistently it was used. I got the vague impression it was used in the appeals process, not for every ban, but I don't know that, nor whether it was used for every appeal. And no idea if it's still used.


It was a little more ominous than that, an anonymous pool of residents would help to decide who on the list of 14 day bans would get permabanned. I don't think this was a binding vote though. The old SL newsletter seems to have been purged but there is still a copy of LL's explanation in the wayback machine.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060328100225/secondlife.com/newsletter/2006_02_15/blotter.php

And yeah, whatever was governance does seem to have been quietly absorbed into support, and apart from a couple of fluffy recent blog entries there isn't much information available on who's doing what these days :/
TigroSpottystripes Katsu
Join date: 24 Jun 2006
Posts: 556
06-28-2009 15:11
from the comments of the "jury" there it seems they were only given things like dates and the contents of abuse reports, not enough to see if someone was falselly accused nor if there ware any, I forgot the word, it means factors that would make the crime less of a crime
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████ world,
your ███████████

From: someone
First they came for the ageplayers,
I remained silent 'cause I wasn't an ageplayer

Then they came for the furries,
I didn't protest 'cause I wasn't a furry

Then they came for the goreans,
I didn't speak up because I wasn't gorean

Then they came for me,
and there wasn't anyone left to speak up for me

Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
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Posts: 7,138
06-28-2009 15:23
From: Jumpman Lane
u'll have to see me in world and gimme the run down on the resident review for the ish qie
Always glad to chat, Jumpy, but I don't want give the wrong impression: I was never involved with this resident review thing; I just remember Robin talking about it at one of her office hours. And I wasn't the one who raised the topic, so I probably wasn't paying very close attention, even. Maybe Ciaran remembers more from that meeting. (As you know, Robin isn't Robin Linden anymore, more's the pity. If I were she, I'd scrupulously forget any details of what happened behind the Linden event horizon.)
Jumpman Lane
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06-28-2009 15:26
From: TigroSpottystripes Katsu
that Professor Griefer thing is a bit curious

you've actually interviewed him? or all proof you got is from Google?

If you're actually outing people instead of interviewing them, matters are a bit different, but still, you gotta becarefull with accusing people of crimes publicly.


we were once friends. he told me that he was permantly banned for buring a linden under giant boobs and crashing the sim they were on at the time .

his pals at the avastar even mocked up a cover lamenting his passing. he returned with an alt and has been lurking underground ever since.

furthur he's told me time and again of his intentions of entering the teen grid and how I AM TOO COLORFUL a persona to be friends with if he is going to teach on the teen grid (LMAO). proof of his intentions are found in the education Linden's (i trust u all know who that is) groups email thing etc. so with a lil investigative work, a notorious griefer has been traced to the teen grid by slut magazine. plus i get revenge. damn right i'm outing him.

i despise hypocracy. my intentions are not noble. but my intentions aside. do YOU think this griefer deserves to traipse around BOTH grids after crashing sims on the adult one. assaluting Linden lab employees and yukkin it up generally for the LULZ. we'll see.
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Jumpman Lane
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06-28-2009 15:30
From: Viktoria Dovgal
It was a little more ominous than that, an anonymous pool of residents would help to decide who on the list of 14 day bans would get permabanned. I don't think this was a binding vote though. The old SL newsletter seems to have been purged but there is still a copy of LL's explanation in the wayback machine.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060328100225/secondlife.com/newsletter/2006_02_15/blotter.php

And yeah, whatever was governance does seem to have been quietly absorbed into support, and apart from a couple of fluffy recent blog entries there isn't much information available on who's doing what these days :/

now that is spooky. ive been 14 day suspended so much but for themost obvious nonsens like cursing in a mature area lol. i imed zara and asked if she was on the resi team now she said yus and that deets would be forthcoming. that was months ago.
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