do the permantly banned deserve a 2nd chance at 2nd life

we are doin our griefer issue this month and were wonderin what ya think. should thoise permanetly banned by the Lab be alloedto return (even alts are risky should they be discoverd to be a permanetly banned tard)

LL (in theory) warns then suspends then suspends longer before they ban.

With the amount of effort they have to put into actively being a dick to actually get perm banned, why should they get yet one more chance?

Your first warning is your second chance.
Your second warning is a gift from Heaven.
After that you can fuck off.

Honestly, no. I don't think they should get a second chance. I mean, they obviously piddled away the second and third chances before the ban hammer hit. If they didn't learn from those, there is no hope they'd learn anything except, "Hey, can I have a third chance?"

LL doesn't use IP blocking.

Bad actors come back as new alts anyway.

3 stikes and you out like other games .

If they're permanbanned, they've probably already had their second chance.

Actually, I think there should be second chances.

And there are such things, if you file an 'appeal ticket' (it's not actually called that; it's an "I can't log in, tech issue, I believe I can't log in due to a Governance issue" ticket).

It's completely and utterly possible to earn an instant permaban here, depending what (they think) you did. Few realise this.

It's also possible to trigger the $L fraud detectors and get instantly placed on permanent administrative hold until there is an investigation ~ two friends of mine had that happen passing $L 1000 back and forth, or something like that.

And finally, there's the possibility that it was a mistake, or someone actually learned their lesson. On either side of the equation.

Hmm good question. I asked a guy from XStreet not long after the merger why they were insisting on keeping their bans as they weren't imposed under Linden Lab guidelines.

Have people been banned for matters that would no longer earn a ban?

Did they have their ban imposed on a questionable matter?

Did they just have one bad day and go over the top?

The devil will be in the detail but I'd hazard a guess that some people have been permabanned harshly.

nope ur wrong. in the past those cawtcrashin sims, wereperma banned like this griefer we traced to the kiddy grid as a SCHOOL TEAcher. lmao (this griefer actually crashed a sim smothering ****** Linden in giant boobs. hehehe this grieferis a SCHOOL teacher rl who is bringing his school ontothe teen grid. well we gonn STOP that sheeeet. aint no SCHOOL teacher gonna come to second life and pump fake like they hard and what not ,be a tuff ol griefer then go to the Teen grid and open a school!) slut mag gonna stop it !

LL DOES use ip and hasp blocking (w/e that is) my last suspension (NOT BANNING lindens amke a distinction) i was unable to dpoof my mack or my ip adsress. i dotn unnastanit all , maybe someone can enlighten us all, but they CAN maek it difficult to acess the grid and remove accounts linked to permanetly banned account

i tend to agree

Yep that happened to me too, though we both just had to call in and explain ourselves...it was a very weird process, we were both pretty new and had NO IDEA what we had done or were explaining.

which is a good good point. sometad we uncovered got banned permanetly for covering a linden ingiant boobs andcrashinga sim. thoughhe could sother a lindenwithgiant boobs, no waythe tatd could crash a sim that way. the fool lurked back into sl and has been quietl y in sl for a coupla years, NOW he's even gone sofar as to atteppt to lead his school (wherehe works ) onto the teeen grid. as severla lindens havetold mejust whispering Teaches name tohimgets hiwiped for tHIS grid. would they want him influencingt the kids?

Oh yes, LL most certainly has IP banning.

I wish they would extend it to our parcel bans then.

I could copy and paste the section of the login code that generates the hash that is sent on login, but that's annoying, so I will describe it.

Several things are collected, most notably your mac address and first hard drive's serial number. This along with your IP address obviously. Is sent as part of the log in process.

In extreme cases they will ban not only your account, but hash/ip.

This way, even if you take your computer to a friends house, and make an alt. You can't even log in on that alt on your friends connection.
On top of that, your friends IP would also now be flagged. Cases have come up where people have been mistakenly blocked becuase of the scenario I just described.

Several Illegal viewers exist that have been modified to send fake randomly generated hashes.
Most of the viewers have a predictable pattern in hash generation. So even the illegal ones can be detected and cuase an Auto-ban for the unluckly person trying it.

this is what happens tome wheneveri get suspended due to alt abuse . forexample if i get a 3 day ban , im also hash banned soi cant log in . all the alts (which have been linked to my account) are also banned. if i make new ones my ip is blocked , mac adrees blocked, now whilst boresd i spoofed my mac and my mac adress andSTILL couldnt log in and was baffled ( my lastthree day suspension) when my suspension was over ihad to call the 866 number to have the hash removed i supposeo or however or w/e) i saw blue just to day and mentioned that they had all kindsa funny lio thinkgs they can do onthe server side andhe just laffed

A couple of things..

No person is permanently banned from Second Life. It's not possible.

A particular account could receive a ban but there have been cases of the ban being lifted.

well they permanetly ban accounts. they disable them andorhardware block the persons computer. and its in aving degrees . they could jus suspendut\r account forever (ban it) withouth hardware blocks, or withouth hash ban so that u can makeand get on with alts. i asked the g team this once .what if we told the that a permabanned person was online as an alt
they said they remove te tard

Well, that clarifies things!

If someone was banned for just being an all-around ass, that's one thing; but if one was banned for carrying out what amounts to Denial-of-Service attacks on the grid and its inhabitants, then they have long overstayed their welcome already and do not deserve to come back - ever.

Who posts like this????

umm yeah LL does ban people sure enough and they sometimes also unban them.

Do they hardware ban them at the MAC or IP? Yes.
Is it easy as PIE to get around? Yes.

Can LL ban human beings from Second Life? No.
Can they ban and/or delete accounts? Yes.

LL *can* "ban" via IP, but they only do it when prudent, such as from flood attacks. They don't bother IP banning people with banned accounts. Short-term IP blocks are useful and necessary to protect their infrastructure. Long-term IP blocks, except in highly specific circumstances, are useless for the purpose of banning, since the vast majority of IP addresses in use are dynamically assigned to clients.

LL doesn't ban specifically via MAC address. MAC addresses are hardware-local and not detectable from their end by their network.

LL *can* ban via machine ID, which is generated by the viewer and sent every time you log in. This is how they implement most permanent account bans beyond simply disabling the account. It can be gotten around as well, but most people who get permabanned aren't savvy enough to know how.

As for the original question, it depends on the circumstances. For some things, like system exploitation, fraud, and other illegal activities, no, they don't deserve any more chances. For bans earned from behavioral situations, *maybe* they can have a second chance, presuming they can convince a Governance Team member that they will no longer pose a problem. Even still, the default answer I would give someone who has exhausted all their chances prior to being permabanned would be "no".

Under no circumstances outside of an honest mistake does anyone permabanned DESERVE another chance. If they get one, they should be grateful, and not screw it up, but it sure should not be an entitlement to anyone.

This is not true.

I had a 3 day ban in 2004 and it was a machine ban that stopped ALL my alts from logging in. And all i did was pass around a note card to 5-6 people.

So it is totally arbitrary whether or not the IP ban/machine ban, or whatever a hash ban is. I am sure there are some particular standards they use for extreme cases, but whether or not they ban you beyond one account for a trivial matter is totally arbitrary.

My main concern here is for people who get banned because of a mistaken or malicious AR.