Expansion of SL: Vertical or Horizontal!!!

I wouldn't put it past individual LL employees to care.







(Even though the unofficial official position may well be that we are nonentities, future-profits-of-LL-wise.)

Yeah, that's a real limitation of SL now: the inability to tunnel under the ground surface really limits things, and fake "ground" is unacceptable in so many ways (not just crappy appearance, although there's that, too).

But I have to agree with other posters that these are very odd questions. It's possible there might emerge some brilliant notion "from the mouth of babes", I guess, but if the idea is to canvas for possible extensions of SL, there have been years of them accumulating in the jira, some from folks who've been in-world since the beginning. And some of those folks have been deeply involved in virtual reality and gaming since long before SL was conceived in the wake of some bad sushi Philip and Andrew had for lunch one day.

I think the OP is thinking too hard, without enough information. And as they say, "if you don't think too good, don't think too much."

There are already an infinity of levels of SL in an infinity of dimensions . . .

Pep ( . . . it's just that the routine to tp between them doesn't work yet.)

Hi! Thanks

1) Would you please explain in detail the vertical parceling for prim management?
2) what more could be done in vertical parceling?

3) Currently is the horizontal parceling for prim management possible? If Yes then limitations...
4) what more could be done in horizontal parceling?

Thanks once again

Oh, and Ann, while you are at it, please post the cure for the common cold, a resolution of Zeno's Paradox and an explanation of why the answer "42" is incomplete.

Pep (I'd like an alligator sandwich too, and make it snappy.)

There is no vertical parcel management for prims or other land settings. Lots of us would love it if this was possible, but it isn't without completely redesigning SL from the ground up. If we had it, we could build apartments directly above each other and allocate prims separately for each, or we could play different media streams at different heights.

Yes, this is the way prims are allocated. You've already been given a link to the landowners info on the wiki. Read it. Better still, spend some time inworld! Rent a plot of land somewhere, or invest $10 for a month's premium membership and buy a mainland plot. Learn how it works for yourself and you will understand why some of your questions don't make much sense.

I don't usually have much time for students doing theses on SL but yours has got me curious. What exactly are you trying to achieve with your research? Do you have a title yet? What's your main research question?

We can already build stuff up to 4 kilometres up in the sky, I don't see the point in going any higher.

I was wondering whether someone could purchase Second Life Enterprise behind-the-firewall product and then operate that as a commercial grid.

No, I'm not thinking of doing that myself, or getting involved in such an idea, I was just wondering.

I think the way ahead for the SL main grid is probably going to be more themed continents - in the way of Zindra adult continent. Like maybe a PG continent, combat continent etc.

Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C Clarke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendezvous_with_Rama

An alien spacecraft was a huge cylindrical world - spinning to simulate gravity.
Ground is sky is ground.



This one isn't Rama-like because of the 'windows' but it would be fairly awesome.

Sorry about the size It's a big world?

does the SL terms of agreement says anything like that parcel owner by default will enjoy the ownership right up to an infinity level vertically!!

does the SL terms of agreement say anything like that parcel owner by default will enjoy the ownership right up to an infinity level vertically!!

If you have a quantum computer then you have access to an infinite number of levels simultaneously.

Pep (Make sure your quantum computer has a good graphics chip with an effective heat sink though; they tend to get pretty hot at that level of performance.)

PS I note that your own computer has allowed a second dimension of posting to slip through the space warp; or are you Irish, and posting twice, "to be sure, to be sure"?)

It's not addressed in the Terms of Service, or any other document that I'm aware of; however, a parcel owner has ownership rights up to the maximum altitude, which I believe is the max value of an unsigned 32-bit float. There is one exception: Parcel entry restrictions (entry lists, ban lists, etc) only extend upward to around 65 meters, I believe. I might be wrong about that number.

It doesn't need to, it's coded in. Try building on a no-build parcel at 4000m - it doesn't work. On the other hand, ban-lines only go up to a certain height (do they stretch to infinity if you are banned by name?) so you sort-of have the right to pass through, but not build in, others' airspace. Where banlines end, however, security orbs can take over and eject you from others' airspace. You'd know all this if you spent some time inworld.

No Object Entry goes (all the) way up too.
I was wondering if I could build a IPBM (InterParcel Ballistic Missile) to get up over the No Object Entry parcels in Jessie.
No go.
If I want to use missiles, they will have to be like Cruise missles, going around the obstacle parcels.

No Space Race in SL then.

"I can't be bothered to find out the answers myself"



"...and while I'm at it, can you please also write my dissertation for me."

Fixed it for ya! Ooops... wrong thread....

Well yep, why limit us o having sims in 3 dimensions when thy could be in 4 or 5 dimensional co-ordinates.

It's sorta like people in RL saying "we can fly planes 4000m above the ground why go any higher?"

Oy! The level of education has really gone downhill.

Someone has said, ‘if you want to be successful double your failure’.

Seriously, Gora, tell us more about your study, I am genuinely interested. It can't just be "sandboxes in SL", what's the context?

It says that 'SL world functions like a huge digital sandbox' and SL world has been expanding ‘diegetically’ in terms of Virtual land and ‘nondiegetically’ in terms of users’ activities. I have found few residents who have their first name as sandbox. Two other terms 'landbox' or 'skybox' are also familiar along with the term sandbox. Some private/ group owned land has a parcel of land calling 'sandbox' to attract visitors. It seems that Sandbox as a term has been used in a multiple way.

There are encyclopedic numbers of issues in SL to be discussed and researched about. I have narrowed down my focus on Linden owned public sandbox areas. I will be investigating:

‘How linden owned public sandbox areas mediate residents’ activities and influence their understandings of SL space?’


Thanks for your postings and showing interest.....

The process of engaging in a dialogue with SL residents and collecting their opinion is part of a research by itself. It’s a bit naive to except SL residents writing my own dissertation. Still one can keep trying...good luck....

Hi Gora - I'm curious.....

Have you had a chance to immerse yourself into the SL community a bit? Have you been shopping, and attended some live music events, and visited some new friends? have you been exploring some islands? Have you been dancing yet?

Wrong, because sandbox environment (not just in SL context) implies it's where you can try something out without permanent and real effect.



One of the few times where I had to grab a dictionary and then the word isn't even in it. :/ What does "diegetically" mean?



Why should they? It's a silly name. Resident names are mostly like regular user names, just a bit more personal than on other online portals because a lot of residents associate themselves with their avatar, so of course they do not want to pick "handgun 3045" as a first name.



I have never heard the term landbox in two and a half years of being here. And a skybox is something completely different from a sandbox - in most cases a skybox is simply a home up in the sky.



Wrong, yet again. The term sandbox has a very specific use - a parcel of land that can be used by people to build stuff there even though they don't own the land. Sometimes it is restricted to members of a certain group (mostly for security reasons) and most of the time the sandbox gets wiped clean of all the piled-up stuff every few hours because most people don't clean up after themselves. (Just like in RL, coincidentally.)



Simple answer to both questions: They don't.

So, it seems like you have no grasp of SL at all. And they'll give you a degree for that? *scratches head*

Do it in-world...

If you had spent the last day in SL, actually talking with residents on sandboxes, in businesses, at clubs etc you'd understand a lot of your questions already, and the rest you'd realize sound more like M on acid than anything remotely approaching any attempt at a true understanding of SL.

SL is a world made up of worlds, small and big, of all kinds, of all flavors. You can't read about that and understand it. Use it, Live it, then ask your questions from an informed point of view.