Forced to install voice client :(

Thank You so much for the help with my question Nika and I am so happy to hear a design of mine is one of your favorites (have me wondering which one). I also want to thank Jannae and Nina for thier posts regarding the viewers.

Now if I can do it without totally messing everything up I will do a happy dance in sitting position of course I am not computer literate at all and my brain cells have to much 02 to comprehend very well. That is why I have never done it before now even though have heard it is so much better. I will give it a good try. Thanks again! Hugsss

You really didnt think Linden Lab would allow us to keep a GOOD client did you? heh

Okay

So I had to use this Communication window finally.

I see why everyone was complaining. The smallest I could shrink the window to was somewhere around 1/6 of my screen.

The deafult where local chat scrolls ghostlike behind the im chat is really annoying.

SO I did the tear off thing. You can make it work similair to before by tearing off "near me" and putting it at the bottom and puttign the ccommunicate window at the top.

So it works kinda like before except the comunicate window is way too big.


SO I can see why those who like it are claiming that its not so bad. I think if I had a 30 inch monitor it would be fine

But I have a 17 inch monitor - and its not fine.

I dont see the new UI features that make up for the annoying cant shrink the window past X giant size liability.

In other words - If its so much better - Proove it. Tell me something it does better that I can actually try.

Hope it works out. If there is a problem, contact Nicholaz. He is very approachable.

Lego Boy?? .... I think .. madam .. you have me confused with some .. *other* halfling!! <sniff>

a word on wide-screen as it's been mentioned .. <cough, hides face> ... it really is wide, not just cut off top and bottom like some films but actually a wider view. On the mini-map the viewpoint shows more like 110º rather than the old 80º

In defence of duplication of the menu items as per pie and comm tabs, the pie is hidden for most of the time. I find I am using either the pie or the com tab for changing groups as the situation changes, for example if I'm in an IM it's quicker to right-click my avie.
Most Windows apps have multiple ways of accessing commands anyway. I must get round to trying the keyboard shortcuts more.
Nope, my only reservation on the new viewer is as I said earlier, just which I could get comm tab narrower.
I shall try your suggestion with the tear-off later Colette

Your decision to see insults where there are none is entirely your own. Personally I think you do an excellent job on your own displaying how much intelligence you do have. But I care less about what intelligence one has or what one's experience is (argument from authority is one of the more common fallacies used in bolstering arguments) and more about the substance of the reasoning put behind the points made in a discussion. The fact that you've worked in the gaming industry is of no relevance unless you use that knowledge.

I brought up a point about version control and how a recent release of the viewer seemed to have bugs reappearing in it that had been fixed in previous releases, which highlights a version control problem. Certainly in your vast and in-depth experience in the gaming industry you must have run across both version control and quality control. What does it tell you about how well a company is doing when both of those seemed to have failed? Do you think LL was doing a superior job there? (I know where I've worked the version and quality control have made such an occurrence pretty near impossible - one has to doubt LL uses regression testing as part of their quality control.)

The problem is your discussion seems to be merely stating obvious points as somehow they were deeply insightful revelations "I'm simply stating that he is but one man, working on a few aspects, and LL is..." And my response to that is was to ask what your point is.

By fixing many of the bugs that are left in the LL viewer code, he produces a more stable viewer that most people who use it find to be a superior product to the LL viewer. Even LL acknowledges that he finds and provides fixes for a lot of their errors. What part of that do you dispute?

You say things like "He is only making it stable for SOME of you, with particular hardware and software configs. He is only one man, and can not create drivers and code for ALL possible configs." and then claim to understand what he is doing and that you used the word drivers in error. Perhaps you can enlighten me, but I thought LL was writing their code to the OpenGL API. Which effectively eliminates the need (or even really the capability) to code for different hardware configs. One writes their code to make calls to the OpenGL API, and the hardware drivers provided by the hardware manufacturers convert those calls into commands for their particular hardware. So, it does seem that, despite what you say above, you were using the term driver correctly and in context. But perhaps I'm wrong, how exactly is he using the OpenGL API to make it more stable, and why given that the viewer is written to make OpenGL API calls you would say a thing like "can not create drivers and code for ALL possible configs" and where Nicholaz has ever even mentioned tweaking an OpenGL call to make it more stable for particular hardware configs?

There was a thread back when the Communicate window first came out, with a link to a patch that would let you re-size it better than the "stock" window. This might've been put out by Nicholaz, but I can't recall for sure. Sorry...

Thanks Lindal. I dl-ed this weeks mandatory viewer so might be early days. I'll try Colettes suggestion of the tear-off - that might be enough for me.

i think what he meant to say was that ll code for mac, linux, etc. or maybe he was referring to cpu arch.

of course i still disagree with him.

Kevyn Hienke,

You're condescending, rude, and patronizing. Your passive-aggressive personal attacks warrant no respect. How can I continue reading a post that opens the way your's does?

I didn't read past the second paragraph. I don't deserve this crap.

On a side-note (it seems almost), but in reply to those who don't like the comm window........

if you install Nic's currently recommended set-up:

i.e. the latest LL update, plus the Release Candidate on top, and then his Bleeding Edge release -n over that one.....

you might find yourself with more view of the world to enjoy .......

(it may sound complicated but he has detailed instructions on his blog)

i.e. you can't answer any of my questions. Thanks for admitting it. And you don't even understand what passive-aggressive behavior is, nor do you take responsibility for deciding to see attacks where there are none. I simply asked you to basically "put up or shut up". Apparently you've decided to shut up.

I junked the Current LL viewer and put in Nick's Old School 18M. All is well again. Until the next Mandatory "upgrade".

I just wanted to do a quick post and say thanks to Nina Stepford particularly, who put it in a how to language I actually kinda understood, (and of course all the others) who posted on how to put my SL world back to rights again.

I am amazed how relatively easy it was to do, after reading the blog and worrying I'd have to get an IT whizz kid in to bail me out of the voice view thing.

I did notice, with my (very gratefully running) Nick viewer, that the inventory doesn't have a minimise feature anymore, and also that when I double click on a Landmark in my inventory, it doesn't pop up in a block anymore, just zaps me right there, but hell....I don't care about that...I'm just so ecstatic that I have my SL back and can see it properly again! Woooooo-hooo!!!!


Thanks Nick, and forum dwellers... I'm off to roam the SL lands!

*waves happily*

To anyone worried about not being able how to figure out Nick's installations: I've never had a problem. If I can do it , the rest of you can.

I have no problem to come to the hangout and sing for you.

But I don't know the song "Tiptoe through the Tulips".
Would "Tulips from Amsterdam" be OK too?

I'm another one who held back from the update until forced to, and am not finding the communicate window as bad as it was made out to be. In my case it was a very specific issue. I understood that the communicate window was needed for ALL chat, including to people standing next to you. In which case you could either have the window open, and be able to hear people but not see them, or closed, and be able to see them but not hear them.

However, this seems not to be the case. One can have a normal conversation with the window closed, as with the previous viewer.

I haven't made up my mind as to whether the new style is better or worse than the old in terms of UI design, but it's not the disaster I was given to believe it was.

We-ell .. oooh kaaaayy .. but someone will have to cover Morwen's ears .. it brings her out in a rash

It was much worse in the early beta voice viewers. LL did some streamlining of the visual design and reduced the minimum size of the window, making it less of a screen space pig than it had been.

The tearoff window interface was not immediately obvious when the communicate window first appeared; I'm not even sure it was implemented yet in the first betas. It looked as though you were forced to see either the chat history or IM, not both at once as many of us wished to do. Now that it does all work, it's actually a gain in function, as you can have separate windows for different IM sessions if you want them.

It DOES still appear to be impossible to see both your group list and your friends list at the same time, as they are both on the same tearoff. That is a loss of functionality compared to the old interface.

Not in-world to check but group is still accessable from the pie menu. Does this still use the group/friends toggle?

WHAT IS THIS WITH YOU ALL ????

When SL crashes, there is lag, does not pay you, .... everybody is complaining

Now, the grid is down because they are fixing things.
What do i see in the blog comments: everybody is complaining that they can't play.

WHY is the grid down ?
WHY is there an update of the viewer ?

Because they are FIXING SL !!

Will there be news bugs: yes !!
Will it be better: i "HOPE" it.

PLEASE PEOPLE: LET THE LINDENS "TRY" TO DO THERE WORK !!!

are they indeed fixing it though?
experience indicates otherwise.

Zoha...I completely agree. It's a catch 22 of sorts--we want you to fix our bugs, but we don't want you to take down the grid.

It's human nature I suppose.

Instead of floating the grid, use this time to explore other assets of SL--the website, resident websites, the Slex, etc. Use this time to prepare for future projects--work in Photoshop, prepare an object's textures, learn a 3D application, brainstorm future products or ideas.

The great thing about SL...is that there is still a first life--and everything that takes place in SL, starts in FL. Don't stand idle...preparation is a key ingredient to any successful venture.

This just brings up the communicate window.