Forced to install voice client :(

because i like 1.18.06 better, and will continue to use it as long as possible. why? because it works.

better analogy is some people buy old fashioned grade a butter, and some people buy margarine

bear in mind that much of the beta testers complaints were taken on board, and the result is what you see now.

Actually home churned butter is amazing. LOL

But not very practical.

yes yes - but there are times when the hyperbole distracts from the metaphor.

ive churned butter by mistake, but it was pretty nasty stuff.

Yes, this WOULD be a nice analogy, IF it were the case. lol. I'm having fun...no offense. See, the difference is, 99% of citizens are completely unaware of the engine behind an application or game--and they have no idea the vast improvements in code that have already been made in the last few patches.

Things that you wouldn't even notice--the engine is constantly being tweaked and upgraded. Tweaked and upgraded. Rinse and repeat. So, using an analogy that old-fashion butter is better because it's simply and real, doesn't fit...the new engine doesn't relate to synthetic, blander butter...lol. Am I making sense? Hell, I even confused myself there.

Maybe that IS a good analogy. What the bleep do I know.

Not all that impractical, though, doesn't take that long to make. especially if you make it in small batches so it is alway fresh, and not rancid like the store bought stuff.

But it is another example of where folks will accept an inferior quality product for a minor increase in convenience.

experience with ll has taught me to avoid viewer 'upgrades' at all costs. and i dont have much faith in the people making the 'tweaks' that need to be relentlessly fixed by nicholaz.

I liked his one blog where stuff that had been fixed before in the LL code was broken again in a new release(did I hear someone say "version control"? lol)

A friend of mine used to do home churned cinamon butter - now im suddenly hungry for that and homemade bread.

I agree..I only take an update when Nick has a fix for it, unless it is mandatory, And sometimes then I won't logon untile he has a fix for that one, although so far the mandatory update from yesterday, except for the Comm box annoyance is working OK, but I'm still gonna "Nick" it.

I think we need to clarify something--the Nicholaz viewer is NOT the superior product. The Nicholaz viewer is merely catering to more of the 'general' public's bitching and demands.

This may make him a hero in some of your eyes, because it gives you the freedom to choose which UI you prefer. However, do not mistake his product for the superior one. He may be a whiz kid, and tweak a few things here and there...but his talents do not match the plethora of coders and designers that are continually augmenting the actual SL engine.

When you get used to it, it is a LOT more convenient. Granted, it takes some getting used to though.

Easier to use tubs? I've always found the old fashioned sticks of butter to be easier to use . . .

Thanks for the chuckle. I needed something more than coffee to wake me up this morning and this post certainly did it.

Play nice please Michael

Again and boringly from my workplace, some things have to be implemented at a crucial build time to allow other things later on. They don't always make a lot of sense.

That's just with our rubbish SL is INFINATELY more complex.

I'm with Cherry here .. at least until Alt gets back

From the threads I've seen, people like the Nicholaz viewer because they can use it and move in SL and not crash. I would say that whichever viewer works on a particular user computer system is a superior viewer for that system.

I, on the other hand, have never gotten the Nicholaz viewer to work except once without freezing or crashing.

Who is Alt?

Do I know him?

Agreed. The other thing that makes Nicholaz's viewer superior (and contrary to what some people think a particular part of the viewer is not the same as the whole game engine) is that he actually listens to what people want and provides that.

I must admit after reading some threads on here i wasn't keen on downloading the new viewer but to be honest i like it,i think its smarter looking...in my opinion anyway.As for voice i was given the option to set it up or not, so i choose not to,so really no problem for me

if it were merely a ui issue i could modify the xml files myself.
but its not, it a stability issue. i downloaded the nicholaz view on day because ll 'upgraded' viewer did not work. at all. i downloaded the nicholaz viewer because i desperately wanted to get in world and flag all my land for sale. i planned to cash in because sl was totally unplayable for me. once i had nicholaz's viewer running, sl was running again. better than it had run in yonks. that is why i continue to run his viewer. not because of some silly ui issue.

He is merely taking an existing product, and tweaking it on 'popular' demand. It is not the superior product. It is a modification. The actual engine is no more or less stable than the actual client--it's all relative and subjective to each hardware and software config. Nicholaz is working on an already massively developed structure--he's just adding a few coats of paint, and some of you are accepting this as a different product.

I'm not at all bad-mouthing Nicholaz--he is a very clever gentleman, who has made a lot of people happy. I only want you to understand that he's only a plastic surgeon in an already developed Universe.

In your opinion. Just as we have an opinion. All I know is , several times, the LL upsate viewer has had problems in it that seemed to vanish, with Nicholaz' version. By all means use what works best for you. In my mind it IS a superior product.

I won't ever use Voice Chat, but I am almost always using the new client because I don't want to miss out on all the bug fixes that have been released since Voice came out. I hate the chat UI, but I am putting up with it because I have no choice, if I want other issues fixed.

Ignoring the Voice function and disabling it at the client and parcel level is easy enough. And since the people I choose to associate with generally don't use Voice, I've not had any major issues so far with 'being left out of the conversation'.

The problem is that if you aren't blessed with a HUGE monitor and a video card that allows you to play SL full-screen at high resolution, that Chatterbox UI is over twice as large as the non-Voice UI. Try running SL in an 800 x 600 window, and then tell me that the Chatterbox isn't too big, when it eats half your window every time you use it. There are some hacks that allow you to make it smaller, but they have to be re-done every time you are forced to update the client. I have generally had to move from an 800 x 600 window to an 800 x 900 window, just to make room for that bloated UI. And with my system, that means I take a 30% hit in frame rate, which makes SL almost unusable for me. It's like watching a 2 to 3 FPS slide show. I'm having to buy a new computer now, just so I can play SL at a reasonable frame rate and window size.

The Nicholaz viewer is a patch on the Windows client, which means Mac users and Linux users don't have that option. In fact, no one has issued an alternative SL cleint for Mac or for Linux, to my knowledge. I'm on Mac, so I can't use Nick's patches, no matter how good they are.