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ArchTx Edo
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03-02-2009 11:45
From: Wildefire Walcott
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03-02-2009 12:08
I make several "Attack" creatures that will attack and push/bump someone around for short distances if they come to close to the trigger device. The creatures are things like sharks, piranha, pirate ghost and a few monsters that don't exist in RL. They spawn blood in the water/air when they bump you and say things like "Shark rips a chunk of flesh out of ArchTX Edo". Most people find these creatures very amusing, they add a bit of realism and drama to the underwater environments and places where they are left. I have been selling them for years and have received no complaints.

I have seen creations by other people such as dogs that do something similar if set to guard the property. And a bee hive security system that will push you off the owners property with a swarm of attack bees.

Are these griefer items? I don't think so. They really do no one any harm unless the land is set to damage enabled, then they can kill. Which is legal I believe in SL.

Before I put the attack sharks on the market, I asked for peoples opinions about them and everyone who responded thought they were fine to make and use.

I guess I have played too many computer games in the past where monsters and villians were waiting around every corner to maim or destroy you. So I don't take this minor stuff to seriously in SL.

Hmm I think I will go work on an attack rat. :)
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03-02-2009 12:43
From: ArchTx Edo
Hmm I think I will go work on an attack rat. :)


if it ends up being cute.. I want one!

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03-03-2009 02:15
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From: Briana Dawson
So i guess anyone not willing to be the end result of someones joke is high strung or jaded?

Whatever.

Seems you missed the point.
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03-03-2009 03:46
From: ArchTx Edo
I make several "Attack" creatures that will attack and push/bump someone around for short distances if they come to close to the trigger device. The creatures are things like sharks, piranha, pirate ghost and a few monsters that don't exist in RL. They spawn blood in the water/air when they bump you and say things like "Shark rips a chunk of flesh out of ArchTX Edo". Most people find these creatures very amusing, they add a bit of realism and drama to the underwater environments and places where they are left. I have been selling them for years and have received no complaints.

I have seen creations by other people such as dogs that do something similar if set to guard the property. And a bee hive security system that will push you off the owners property with a swarm of attack bees.

Are these griefer items? I don't think so. They really do no one any harm unless the land is set to damage enabled, then they can kill. Which is legal I believe in SL.

Before I put the attack sharks on the market, I asked for peoples opinions about them and everyone who responded thought they were fine to make and use.

I guess I have played too many computer games in the past where monsters and villians were waiting around every corner to maim or destroy you. So I don't take this minor stuff to seriously in SL.

Hmm I think I will go work on an attack rat. :)


I would love to have something like a missile launcher on my house, or a trusty howitzer, that blasts you into orbit for a while. my current security orb is way too nice to people. just sending them home. Or Monty Python killer rabbits wandering my yard would be awesome.
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Kasuga Hax
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03-03-2009 04:27
Oh, I also joined the bandwagon of griefer economy.

I was always against promoting people to make, sell, use griefing tools.
But I certainly didn't want to pay for tools to prevent them.

I found, however a merchant that sells anti griefer tools only. Might be an alt, might be a slick way to bump the griefer economy, but, i have no choice after my neighbor, whom I trust told me about the so called spybugs, and the like.

So I build a control room in my house with all sorts of crap devoted to discovering and destroying any stuff related to griefers.

I don't want to have unknown idiots watching me, listening to me, and spying every move I make.

So an object radar, security orb and anti spy bug device working properly now, I fed the griefer economy lots of cash, but hopefully, to the good cause, namely the ones trying to help you fight it.

Also got a HUD with defensive things, such as a shield, and an area weapon that blasts away any object near me spraying out hundreds of Mario pictures or like that, while I try to build something.

I just want to enjoy second life in peace, which some people won't allow. So it's a game, so it's fake. Then why do some agree you just need to take this as granted, and be forced into their pestering game play? Of course I can AR anyone doing this. But they're always Alt newbie avatars with freebie griefer tools.

Just my opinion.
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Briana Dawson
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03-03-2009 04:31
From: Nina Stepford
remind me to rez my 'camping chair' for you!


Why am i not surprised?

First squatting, and now camping.

You sure did hide your flaws until after the marriage!
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03-03-2009 04:41
From: Briana Dawson
Why am i not surprised?

First squatting, and now camping.

You sure did hide your flaws until after the marriage!


Camping is for losers. Seriously.

1 kilowatt/h in my country costs 15 Eurocents.
My computer being about 500 Watt/h will cost me 7.5 Euro cents to keep it running for an hour.

So if they pay you 2 Linden Dollar per 15 minutes, which is default, I will earn 6 Lindens per hour. 6 Linden dollar is roughly 0.005 US Dollarcents, and thus 0.0035 Euro cents.

Camping costs me more in electric bills than just buying them off the right top of my screen in just seconds. plus, I can use my time better than watching my avatar sit for days.

Okay you can cheat, use multiple clients, and bullshit the system, etc. etc. you should be banned for clogging up the grid.

This people tend to ignore. Or deny.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-03-2009 04:41
From: Kasuga Hax

So an object radar, security orb and anti spy bug device working properly now, I fed the griefer economy lots of cash, but hopefully, to the good cause, namely the ones trying to help you fight it.

Also got a HUD with defensive things, such as a shield, and an area weapon that blasts away any object near me spraying out hundreds of Mario pictures or like that, while I try to build something.
And you think any of that stuff actually works?
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03-03-2009 04:43
From: ArchTx Edo

I guess I have played too many computer games in the past where monsters and villians were waiting around every corner to maim or destroy you. So I don't take this minor stuff to seriously in SL.


Ditto.

Its all fun to me.
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03-03-2009 04:44
From: Argent Stonecutter
And you think any of that stuff actually works?


I haven't seen it proven on the bugs yet. But griefers were send into orbit just nicely as they promised, including their rezzboxes, and sadly other stuff as well.

I still look for a targeted device, just sending stuff flying I want to be send flying.
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03-03-2009 04:50
From: Kasuga Hax
I haven't seen it proven on the bugs yet. But griefers were send into orbit just nicely as they promised, including their rezzboxes, and sadly other stuff as well.
Pretty poor griefers if they're not using non-physical vehicles.

All you have to do to be 100% immune to any orbiter is sit on a non-physical prim, and use non-physical prims in your attacks
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03-03-2009 05:01
From: Argent Stonecutter
Pretty poor griefers if they're not using non-physical vehicles.

All you have to do to be 100% immune to any orbiter is sit on a non-physical prim, and use non-physical prims in your attacks


I suppose griefers are not very intelligent. Otherwise they would have a better hobby, and start building things like nice houses, fountains, and spiffy looking cars.

but most object that were taken with him in the blast were physicals, like beach balls, cars, and other non-stuck objects.

Plus, they wander around, and never really stay put. Their mission is to annoy as much people as possible. It's what they do best, and probably they only thing they can do.

If only Linden Labs would ban these items. But that would hurt them financially. So they allow it.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-03-2009 05:09
How come everyone else gets all the griefers?

I think I've been attacked by griefers less than a dozen times. In over three years.
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03-03-2009 05:10
From: Kasuga Hax

but most object that were taken with him in the blast were physicals, like beach balls, cars, and other non-stuck objects.

If only Linden Labs would ban these items.
What, beach balls and cars?

How come everyone else gets all the griefers?

I think I've been attacked by griefers less than a dozen times. In over three years.
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03-03-2009 05:20
From: Argent Stonecutter
What, beach balls and cars?

How come everyone else gets all the griefers?

I think I've been attacked by griefers less than a dozen times. In over three years.


um, yeah, that was written kind of odd. I meant the griefer tools/items of course.
Everybody likes beachballs :P

anyway, I work a lot in a sandbox. And that's where they all are. non-script sims and non build sims are useless to griefers. But also useless to anyone trying to build something.
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ArchTx Edo
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03-03-2009 07:50
From: Winter Ventura
if it ends up being cute.. I want one!





I'll see what I can do.
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03-03-2009 07:59
From: Kasuga Hax
I would love to have something like a missile launcher on my house, or a trusty howitzer, that blasts you into orbit for a while. my current security orb is way too nice to people. just sending them home. Or Monty Python killer rabbits wandering my yard would be awesome.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktB7qHezFs

LMAO, I had not seen that Killer Rabbit sketch. Making one is now on my to do list.
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03-03-2009 08:01
From: ArchTx Edo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktB7qHezFs

LMAO, I had not seen that Killer Rabbit sketch. Making one is now on my to do list.


dammit, now I'm giving away good ideas :P Well, give me a discount when you have them working :P
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03-03-2009 08:38
From: ArchTx Edo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktB7qHezFs

LMAO, I had not seen that Killer Rabbit sketch. Making one is now on my to do list.
Rabbits are tougher than you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMxQAkAeP5E
And, bonus!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC9eoy_xK3s
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Winter Ventura
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03-03-2009 10:20
From: Argent Stonecutter


That chick did not win in the end.. (see the guy's other videos).

I'm not a fan of watching predators eat.. I can't watch snakes eat, for example, since they are very often fed small rodents. I know they have to, and that life is gruesome and violent.. but watching that Monitor lizard get the chick in the end... wasn't the most pleasant thing I ever saw.

I think I'll go watch some baby lion cubs eating zebra flesh.. that was cute.
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03-03-2009 10:22
From: Winter Ventura
That chick did not win in the end.. (see the guy's other videos).
Aww, damn.

Don't tell me the rabbit got bit as well.
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03-03-2009 14:37
From: Winter Ventura
That chick did not win in the end.. (see the guy's other videos).

I'm not a fan of watching predators eat.. I can't watch snakes eat, for example, since they are very often fed small rodents. I know they have to, and that life is gruesome and violent.. but watching that Monitor lizard get the chick in the end... wasn't the most pleasant thing I ever saw.

I think I'll go watch some baby lion cubs eating zebra flesh.. that was cute.


Not for the zebra.

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Nina Stepford
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03-03-2009 20:54
you assume that all campers:
a. have the option to purchase $L. $25usd is nearly $40aud, two hours work for the typical aussie. i can only imagine how that translates for somebody in a third world country. thats assuming it is even possible for them to access their rl currency online at all, be that by credit card or online banking. it wasnt that long ago that australians were blocked out by paypal, trying to use a credit card from a 'high fraud risk' country can also be a challenge, so dont take it for granted that it is as easy for everyone else as it is for you.
b. use the simplified method of simple sitting one av in a chair using the official client. campers have been known to use special clients, logging in dozens of campbots from a single machine.
there are people that resort to camping not because they are too cheap to buy $L, but because that is simply their only option. i should know, ll make it damn near impossible for me to even pay my tier.
From: Kasuga Hax
Camping is for losers. Seriously.

1 kilowatt/h in my country costs 15 Eurocents.
My computer being about 500 Watt/h will cost me 7.5 Euro cents to keep it running for an hour.

So if they pay you 2 Linden Dollar per 15 minutes, which is default, I will earn 6 Lindens per hour. 6 Linden dollar is roughly 0.005 US Dollarcents, and thus 0.0035 Euro cents.

Camping costs me more in electric bills than just buying them off the right top of my screen in just seconds. plus, I can use my time better than watching my avatar sit for days.

Okay you can cheat, use multiple clients, and bullshit the system, etc. etc. you should be banned for clogging up the grid.

This people tend to ignore. Or deny.
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03-04-2009 02:10
In some countries people get awful pay for work, but how are they going to pay their electrical bills then? because if you are so poor and so fucked by your government you would go camp in second life because it actually pays more, you probably wouldn't have money for a computer or money to keep it running.

Anyway, yesterday I was at some gadget shop, and the sim was lagging as hell.
In the middle of the sim was a pillar that pays camp fees if you are in their group and within the radius of the pillar.

There were at least 30 avatars standing there making a lousy amount of money.
I was the only one there not camping, and the stores were all lagging.

So they have high traffic, but no customers because it was lagging way too much.
If Linden Labs would cancel traffic score in the search, we will see campers disappear very quickly. They clog the system, and are not good for traffic at all. The only traffic they have are campers.

So I tend to avoid high traffic shops, because it doesn't say anything about the quality of the items. It only indicates the amount of greedy campers.
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