Why does xstreet allow people to sell griefer weapons and tools???

Then why don't they shut down their store, take all their linden dollars, and send them to eternal banland? It's still there. Selling like crazy. Maybe they bribe Linden Labs to keep their asses shut. 10% profit goes to the feds, and the feds look the other way.

Humans are corrupted. But we don't have to be happy about it.

I was just thinking about an old, old record from the nineties or maybe even earlier. The backing track mushed Michael Jackson's "Can You Feel It?" with something else I can't recall.

Think it was called "I'm Gonna Drop A House On That Bitch".

Because they aren't illegal. The making and selling, and even the use, of these things is not illegal. There's no rule that says you cannot use an orbiter, or an avatar distorter. It's not griefing if you and I are shooting each other in fun, now is it?

It's all in HOW they are used. And just like RL, a gun manufacturer should not be made to pay the price for your inability to be responsible with a weapon.

nah its best to add more freedom restrictions than ask people to be more responsible.

I freaking LOVE that HUD!! Absolute blast at parties and a brilliant piece of work. If only you could adjust the float height and size, I'd give it a 10 out of 10, but this isn't a product review thread.

I think the reason those "tools" remain on Xstreet, and why most things that allow you to affect another AV are allowed, is that they're not in themselves a direct threat to anyone. Only the behavior of using them (or anything) to harass others is a no-no. The items themselves are quite benign in nature, just like a RL car or even MystiTool, but put them in the hands of an idiot and you have a different story. I for one, do not want my SL "sanitized" to protect the idiots from their own poor judgement. Just like when that happens in RL, everyone loses out when blanket rules are applied to the masses because of the behavior of a dimwitted few.

*shrugs*

So, it's just fine with most of you to leave out booby-trapped items that claim to be one thing, and then does something to the victim that the victim most likely will not like, without their consent?

And with that gizmo that hangs a graphic over someone else's head, you're just fine with the idea of someone walking by you and without your permission hanging a sign or an obscene picture over YOUR head, with no indication of how you can remove it?

Remind me to stay away from the parties that you guys attend. I don't think I would enjoy them very much.

If the items presented a dialog to the effect of "Suzy Prankster would like to distort your avatar beyong all recognition, do you consent to her doing that to you?" and options of "OK" and "No Way!", then I could accept it as "harmless fun", because I would click "No Way!" and ignore it. Just like I do with those stupid "Vampire bite" requests.

That does not appear to be how these work. I can't accept the idea of a box that says "free stuff!" left out for a newbie to click on, that distorts him without warning. To me, that is about as funny as trashing someone's dorm room with shaving cream and toilet paper and smelly liquids, just because they are a Freshman. It's terriblly bad manners, and gives the person a VERY bad impression of what the place and its residents are like.

*sighs* Maybe I am just to old and too well trained in civilized behavior to see why such things are so funny.

OK, I guess the majority opinion says I am being too close-minded on this, so I'l shut up now, and only worry about Ar'ing and if at all possible banning any idiot who uses these things irresponsibly in my presence.

This is the best path to take.

If it was a friend of mine who I knew wouldn't get all bent out of shape, then yes it's fine. Done to someone I don't know, then no it's not. But that does depend on what it is. I had a toilet once that would flush you down the drain if you sat on it. Sorry, but I don't feel like a griefer if I put that in my home and someone comes by and sits on it.



As retaliation for previous prank, it's probably ok. From someone I don't know, no not really.



There are those out there that do see these as harmless pranks in certain situations and especially when they come from friends.



That’s not “harmless fun”, that’s no fun at all, lol.

Ok, the point I'm trying to make here is that there are people who will mess with each other with these things and it's fine. They aren't always used to grief unknown people even though they certainly can be.



If it's done do you without any sort of consent, implied or otherwise, then by all means, send the AR.

yah I know, that's why I said imagine, it was just a musing thought.

nope, but LL hasn't listened to anything I've had to say on the matter for certain, even when dealing with specific people and instances...

They are toys.

This place is not real.

Having the griefing tools on xstreet makes it easy for the Linden staff to do their off duty griefer attack shopping.

I just wonder if they come with notecards explaining that if you missuse this item there is a very good chance your account will be suspended and possibly banned for life.

Sounds like a pretty cool thing to leave inside my house for the univited visitors to click on! That'll teach 'em to trespass! lol

Booby traps, just like a deformer labeled "free stuff" are something completely different as they serve only one malicious purpose and nothing more. The deformer isn't at fault in that case.. it's the jeuvenile who thinks its funny. I'm pretty sure the people who own Seawolf dragons think deformers are a pretty cool thing to have inworld.
And about the tagger, Absolutely fine with it if it gives someone a laugh. I've tagged MYSELF with worse stuff than any stranger's gonna hang over my head.. plz. I'm not so high-strung or jaded that (ZOMG!)I can't allow others to have a giggle at my expense.

Close-minded? Hells Bells, Ceera . . . don't lie down and "die" on us now. Some of us agree with your stance on this.

Unfortunately, in today's society, too many people hide maliciousness under the mantle of "What's a matter? You can't take a joke?"

There's a fundamental principle involved here: Unless the people know each other and view such humorous pranks as harmless fun . . . they usually aren't.

So the newbee who's victimized by a gadget that supposedly is one thing but then turns out to be a "practical joke", like a deformer, is--IMO--malicious fun: humor at the *expense* of another person . . . rather than a situation that both people can laugh over.

A second fundamental principle: if only the perpetrator of the practical joke sees it as "funny", the joke is no longer humor--it's nastiness. "One-sided" payoffs like this are always badly received and usually mask some ill feeling or disdain towards the target.

So I really don't give a rat's behind what the majority opinion is; humor targeting others maliciously is always out-of-line from my perspective.

Also, the not-so-subtle psychological abuse paradigm bundled with such "What's-a-matter?-You-can't-take-a-joke?" prankish behaviors is one that disturbs me greatly and gets my dander up.

Two last thoughts: in the case of dorm room pranks as described earlier in this thread, I've often wondered how the prankster viewed the cleanup that the victim had to do after the prank. Was that fun for the victim? I think not. If the prankster didn't help with the cleanup, they clearly showed their thoughtlessness . . . or maliciousness.

In the case of the deformed newb, they're panicked that something is wrong, they don't know how to fix it, and they're wondering if something of a bad hardware or software nature might have occurred (Heaven Forbid!). The "cleanup" for them invovles researching the problem by combing forums, posting messages in forums, or Googling to find out what might have happened. That might lose the newb a few minutes (if they're lucky), a few hours, or even a few days . . . while they're unhappy and stressed with a situation they can't fix yet. All of this is unnecessary stress, unnecessary loss of time, and unnecessary work . . . and, most decidedly not fun.

Yet some people think that perpetrating such pranks is "fun"?

Such maliciousness.

The key words here are at "my expense." Why would anyone--who truly cares about another person--truly choose to be entertained at another's *expense*?

They wouldn't.

Instead, they'd find ways of being *mutually* entertained.

I might ignore such trivial behavior as using a tagger; but I would certainly view the perpetrators of a tagging--if I didn't know them--as having no care for how I might feel . . . and I'd avoid them, because they're not the kind of people I really want to befriend or otherwise be involved with.

And if they persisted, after I asked them to cease and desist, I'd AR 'em . . . and ban them from any land holdings (after all, why should I want people like this around?).

So i guess anyone not willing to be the end result of someones joke is high strung or jaded?

Whatever.

Seems you missed the point.

Another's "expense" doesn't necessarily mean "taxing" or "damaging" to that person if they're a known person, so it's not a question of caring or not. Best friends pick on each other like crazy, partners/lovers even more so.. but I doubt most people would take that to mean those 2 people don't care for each other, especially when the exact opposite is true and obvious. Choosing to be entertained at another's *expense* is a vast catagory, and it includes everything from social norms like tickling your spouse or playing cards, to playing jokes/pranks or ripping ass on someone. No, not everyone enjoys being the recipient of those things (especially that last example ), but it's also not mandatory that they DON'T like it either. Asking why someone would enjoy horsing around is the same as asking how could someone not like it. It's a perception based answer, and there is no correct or proper answer. Those who don't like horseplay can't see the point of it, and they call it immature behavior. Those who do like it probably consider those who don't as being mundane and boorish. The only gray area in all this is the public factor and dealing with someone you dont know. One can never know how a stranger will react, so common sense should prevail.

Read the whole thing next time before you decide to get snide with me.
I said "I'M not so (this) that I can't (that)". Meaning I (me) would have to be (this)high-strung or jaded to actually get (that)pissed at someone for using a tagger on me. Whatever sets YOU off is your own business.
You saw "I'm not so (whatever..could've been anything)" and boom, you're off like a shot with a prize tidbit taken completely out of context. You totally ignored that last part.. the "that I can't.." part, because the "I" completely excludes everyone else but Dana.
Can't very easily insinuate I was referring to "anyone not willing to be the end result of someones joke" if they're all excluded by me saying "I'm not willing to be the end result of someones joke", which is what "I can't allow others to have a giggle at my expense" means.
I have a great sense of humor, but just about zero patience with people who knee-jerk reply at partial or twisted quotes.

If you go back and read my post you will see that I don't have an issue between mutually "consenting adults" when it comes to this sort of "humor".

It appears that you agree with me and Ceera.

One persons griefer tool is another persons toy. I occassionally enjoy blowing up and being blown up by my friends. It can be fun to push the limits of SL and explore things like those distorter gadgets. I had heard about them and never seen one, so when I was out exploring and I came across a button that said "Danger - Do Not Push", I pushed it knowing full well that it would probably do something strange to my avatar. It did orbit and distort my avatar, but that is nothing that can't be fixed by relogging. So I found it amusing.

Fun stuff...

One of the funniest "griefer tools" that I have seen is the "Ostrich" animation. It allows one to offer a "hug" but when the other person accepts the hug, the animation picks them up and spins them around in the air over head, and then plants them upside down with their head in the ground, stuck there for 10 seconds or so.

Its actually very funny, especially when used on someone who makes unwanted sexual advances.

Most of these "griefer tools" require the victim to grant consent or touch or sit on them. The result may be unexpected, but declining it is in their control.