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Brenda Connolly
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07-08-2009 10:29
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Some people treat it as just an extension of RL. They find people in all three of the categories above hard to deal with. But role-players and serious gamers and "just-a-game"ers also rub each other the wrong way at times. For example, this recent story: http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/...essor_be.html#?


:eek: My God, what the fuck is wrong with people? These are supposedly our young , bright minds? Jesus, get up out of the basement once in awhile.
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Smoooth Lexington
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07-08-2009 10:29
yes Mickey I think talking will be good for our relationship...I would not reject to having an open relationship while you keep your family. Glad we got that out of the way.

Thanks everyone for responding...I've found the answer that I was seeking.
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07-08-2009 10:37
From: Brenda Connolly
:eek: My God, what the fuck is wrong with people? These are supposedly our young , bright minds? Jesus, get up out of the basement once in awhile.
Young bright minds?

Did you look at the guy's picture? He's a well-aged asshole.
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Brenda Connolly
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07-08-2009 10:41
From: Argent Stonecutter
Young bright minds?

Did you look at the guy's picture? He's a well-aged asshole.


I'm talking about the people who were threatening him, claiming he is a pedo, etc, because he beat them, playing by the rules. They are the assholes if you ask me.
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Jackie Silverfall
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07-08-2009 10:41
As a rule, I would not have a problem in general with an alt having a deep relationship with someone else. I consider alts to be different people in SL, and have been in a similar situation before. I agree with the comments about talking through this, since it sounds like you formed a relationship based on an established time committment and that has now changed.
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Brenda Connolly
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07-08-2009 10:46
I don't do "relationships" in SL, but generally, if you have an alt and it travels in seperate circles, then I really don't care about it or what you do with it. But if you are bringing an alt into my sphere, then I would like to know about it. I'll treat it as a seperate person, no problem, but I don't like someone knowing stuff about me when I don't know who they are.
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07-08-2009 10:46
From: Brenda Connolly
I'm talking about the people who were threatening him, claiming he is a pedo, etc, because he beat them, playing by the rules. They are the assholes if you ask me.
If you read the comments you'll see that the story was not at all accurate. He wasn't unbeatable: he got killed quite a lot, he just didn't care because he was treating it as "just a game", if he lost a lot of game points from being killed that didn't matter to him. He also didn't just attack people who were role-playing rather than gaming, he pulled villains out of the middle of PvP combats with other heroes.
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Brenda Connolly
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07-08-2009 10:54
From: Argent Stonecutter
If you read the comments you'll see that the story was not at all accurate. He wasn't unbeatable: he got killed quite a lot, he just didn't care because he was treating it as "just a game", if he lost a lot of game points from being killed that didn't matter to him. He also didn't just attack people who were role-playing rather than gaming, he pulled villains out of the middle of PvP combats with other heroes.


I just read the article, that is enough for me. It still doesn't justify the behavior of the other players toward him. It just makes me glad I've never gone near any of those games. Too many people that need to grow the fuck up.
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Eli Schlegal
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07-08-2009 10:56
From: Mickey Vandeverre
I knew it!

Billy Bob?


Loretta? Is that you???
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07-08-2009 11:01
From: Brenda Connolly
I just read the article, that is enough for me. It still doesn't justify the behavior of the other players toward him.
No. Just saying, there are no "good guys" in the story.

It reminds me of a few notorious characters on Usenet in the early days, who used to brag about having looked up people's bosses email addresses and gotten them disciplined or even fired over postings to Usenet.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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07-08-2009 11:17
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Loretta? Is that you???


Yes, Pumpkin :)

But I won't be over tonight....spending some time with Lester. Tell your other wife, Rita, that I said "hello"....and looking forward to the family bbq this weekend. I will be bringing Lester, if that's ok.....and Lester will be bringing his other wife Sally Sue....and Sally Sue will be bringing her other husband Ralph. Tell Rita to watch out for Ralph.

Should be Fun.
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07-08-2009 11:19
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Yes, Pumpkin :)

But I won't be over tonight....spending some time with Lester. Tell your other wife, Rita, that I said "hello"....and looking forward to the family bbq this weekend. I will be bringing Lester, if that's ok.....and Lester will be bringing his other wife Sally Sue....and Sally Sue will be bringing her other husband Ralph. Tell Rita to watch out for Ralph.

Should be Fun.


That's fine. I'm going to be on my alt Renee to night hanging out with her partner Beatrice.
Mickey Vandeverre
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07-08-2009 11:25
From: Eli Schlegal
That's fine. I'm going to be on my alt Renee to night hanging out with her partner Beatrice.


OK....Have Fun!
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07-08-2009 11:34
How do you know she uses an alt?
Pussycat Catnap
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07-08-2009 11:34
That professor went in there with an assumption that the place was a challenge game with no social community - and that the people with a sense of community were in the wrong for having it.

People in communities do try to enforce norms. I think the professor is the one who has an outdated mode of thinking in not seeing that. He's not seeing that online communities are in fact communities.

People over-reacted and moved to irrational responses because the engine of the game left them powerless to do anything else.

The problem with that analogy in SL is whether or not treating one's avatar as an extension of oneself -IS- the community norm of SL or not. There is no 'norm' over this.

I'm not yet convinced that the majority of SL people view their conduct in SL as a direct part of their RL. Ie: I'd wager it is just as much of a norm for people to have SL friends and relationships that -do not- bleed into RL as it is to have ones that do.

I could be wrong in that, but its the perspective I've been coming away with thus far.
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07-08-2009 11:40
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Yes, Pumpkin :)

But I won't be over tonight....spending some time with Lester. Tell your other wife, Rita, that I said "hello"....and looking forward to the family bbq this weekend. I will be bringing Lester, if that's ok.....and Lester will be bringing his other wife Sally Sue....and Sally Sue will be bringing her other husband Ralph. Tell Rita to watch out for Ralph.

Should be Fun.

You say this all tongue in cheek but to me that sounds like a wonderful life.

To the OP- Jealousy is a wasteful emotion- I hope you did find your answer- no reason people have to hide or be so darn possessive. I hope you and she and he and any one else involved find a good space between you all.

Love shared is not love lost.

/me is quite happy with her loves and so grateful they accept my quirks. SL is a new world, let's not insist on bogging it down with an antiquated morality that has never served any purpose but to cause unhappiness. In other words, why can't we all just get along :D?
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07-08-2009 11:41
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The problem with that analogy in SL is whether or not treating one's avatar as an extension of oneself -IS- the community norm of SL or not.
I don't know that there are such clear community norms in ANY community, RL or not. Some people are more social than others at work, for example. Some treat work as "just work", other have friendships and loyalties within the workplace, others distinguish between work-friends and non-work friends.
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07-08-2009 11:43
Eeven if your avatar is not an extension of yourself, there still is no excuse for treating another SL user, no matter how they play it, like shit.
shit.
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07-08-2009 11:49
From: Brenda Connolly
Eeven if your avatar is not an extension of yourself, there still is no excuse for treating another SL user, no matter how they play it, like shit.
shit.


I'm not sure people would agree anyone was treated poorly. There are likely differing views on this.

If its just an online thing, its quite normal for it to just suddenly be no more for many people. I've faced that time and time again over the years. The internet is not the same. Argent's mention of work is quite apt: Some people treat work friendships as meaningful and real; others clock them out at 5pm.

If I were Madonna, doing a reality show, with a viewership of 1, and I decided to take my show off the air, does my viewer have a right to be offended? Maybe, maybe not. There's an evolving social norm here.

I've read that there's a trend in places like myspace / facebook for people to make themselves into mini-celebrities: They put up a gossip page about themselves, and then get offended when people they friend use that a launching pad to inquire further or try to get involved with them RL-wise.
- Ie: There's a growing tendency to hold more of oneself out to the public, but without a matching expectation of the public coming in deeper.
- Even what appear to be deep friendships in SL might be likely to have this same dynamic at work. What A views as a deep relationship, B sees as a celebrity with a fan club having 1 member - even as B is not aware she feels this way until that fan decides to push further than B's comfort zone as the star of her own reality show.

Next time you twitter about what you did today, think about that.
- You might be saying something very intimate. Do you expect all your readers to feel entitled to treat you as someone intimate?

Even in SL, I've faced a little of this dilemma already. Sometimes we can tell when the other person has too high or too low of an expectation about the connection, and back off or otherwise correct before it gets problematic. Other times we can suddenly realize late in that what we felt was one thing, the other person had a very different assumption about. But that doesn't exactly mean we were treated poorly.
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07-08-2009 11:55
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You say this all tongue in cheek but to me that sounds like a wonderful life.

To the OP- Jealousy is a wasteful emotion- I hope you did find your answer- no reason people have to hide or be so darn possessive. I hope you and she and he and any one else involved find a good space between you all.

Love shared is not love lost.

/me is quite happy with her loves and so grateful they accept my quirks. SL is a new world, let's not insist on bogging it down with an antiquated morality that has never served any purpose but to cause unhappiness. In other words, why can't we all just get along :D?



I've been meaning to tell you this, you are such a W***E.
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07-08-2009 11:56
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I've been meaning to tell you this, you are such a W***E.

All a matter of perspective- perhaps to some i am- then again - you might just be itching for what you cannot have
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Mickey Vandeverre
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07-08-2009 11:59
From: Amaranthim Talon
You say this all tongue in cheek but to me that sounds like a wonderful life.

To the OP- Jealousy is a wasteful emotion- I hope you did find your answer- no reason people have to hide or be so darn possessive. I hope you and she and he and any one else involved find a good space between you all.

Love shared is not love lost.

/me is quite happy with her loves and so grateful they accept my quirks. SL is a new world, let's not insist on bogging it down with an antiquated morality that has never served any purpose but to cause unhappiness. In other words, why can't we all just get along :D?


Awesome thoughts, Amaranthim.

It was not all tongue in cheek. I enjoyed such an arrangement at one time. Although I never partnered "on paper"....there were the same mental ties.

The thing is....I had a lot in common with the other "wife"....that would be natural, if we were attracted to the same guy....and we could be friends. And the husband, had some things in common with the other husbands. Very nice group of people. We had a lot of fun. Friendships to be treasured.
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07-08-2009 12:03
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Awesome thoughts, Amaranthim.

It was not all tongue in cheek. I enjoyed such an arrangement at one time. Although I never partnered "on paper"....there were the same mental ties.

The thing is....I had a lot in common with the other "wife"....that would be natural, if we were attracted to the same guy....and we could be friends. And the husband, had some things in common with the other husbands. Very nice group of people. We had a lot of fun. Friendships to be treasured.

This- I would not opposed to such a life in rl really- but i would definitely have to care for all involved.
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07-08-2009 12:05
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I am tempted to respond with the punch line of a very non-PC joke.

Pep ("Who cares?";)

PS Or the song title by Eddie and the Hot Rods: "Do anything you wanna do!"
Gonna defend this one too? If you don't have anything to offer a hurting person, why post?

Ray (or stay away...)
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07-08-2009 12:09
From: Pip Serendipity
I've been meaning to tell you this, you are such a W***E.



Whether you are Pep or not, this comment was totally uncalled for!!!! To each their own, you know that better than anyone. :mad:
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