Filing of Abuse Reports for ageplay.

I agree with you that being rude to someone about what their avatar looks like is wrong. However, I do have concerns -- because of what the Terms of Service have to say about child avatars in close proximity to sexual content -- about child avatars coming into my shop on Zindra, because that's primarily what my business partner and I sell there, and the way the shop's laid out you can't help but be in close proximity to our bdsm stuff and sex beds and the like. My policy is, therefore, on the rare occasions child avatars do turn up at the shop, politely to ask them to leave.

I am just rather puzzled that Lias -- whose opposition to child avatars being allowed on Adult sims at all is well known -- apparently seems to think there's something wrong with this.

How about demons? (^_^)

I will just let you same dozen cut and paste the same
child avatar white wash you post anytime anyone post anything negative about them.

I made no mistake, 23rd and there is no 'Attacking an avatar group' rule - that was nonsense Milly wrote to be funny. And you just ran with it. Maybe the e-mail about this violation went to my spam filter - because I never received it.
Stop the nonsense.

I'm not copying or pasting. I'm using the Quote button. (^_^)y

Well, some are a little more concerned about adults masquerading as children on the internet than you seem to be. I would find out what they wanted in an clearly marked adult sim and adult parcel. If they wanted sex then they should disappear from the resident lists within 60 minutes of me sending in the AR and the chatlog to LL. LL promised us swift absolute reactions to this type of infraction. ANd now bots get a longer suspension than a virtual pedophile does in SL.

Actually, under the rules on the books - a child avatar would not be in trouble for walking into my restaurant. My place only has full nudity - no sex balls or anything like that. Just sushi served on nude people. But the implications of someone pretending to be a child hanging out in such an establishment just does not sit well with me.

As I have stated before: do not go to adult marked areas wearing a child avatar and this is a non-issue.

As Linden Lab says they rely on us to help them keep the grid safe - I think the OP did what would be expected of her - and it was the right course of action to take. Following up on these virtual pedophiles shows she is truly not complacent when it comes to this sort of infraction - like many posting in this thread seem to be. She is not going vigilante - just sending one AR to the Support Queue to make sure these folks are dealt with PROPERLY - and not given the pass they seem to have received (especially since she included chatlogs).

*And now the obligatory postings of reasons why these folks should get a pass for virtual pedophilia in SL.

So, would it be fair to say that your advice to clubs and adult businesses Zindra is that they should not immediately ask child avatars to leave but, instead, engage them in conversation, while taking pains not to say anything ourselves that might be misconstrued, in case what they say provides grounds for an AR?

And, if it doesn't... then do we let them stay or should we ask them to leave?

In your case - you have to give them the boot. My neighbor is that big pink penis shaped build in Zindra - I am not sure what he has on display in there - but it would be a little unsettling to see child avatars walking into a building shaped like a penis.

We all have different levels of 'common decency'. I think alot of you put common decency on the back burner when it comes to technology, progress and what is possible on the internet.

Blinded by the light.

Marionettes are fun too. =^-^=



Boy oh boy do I LOVE dollification sims. =^-^=

I think I'm going to fall down on the side of Lias on this one. If I'm on an adult rated parcel or sim and I see a child avatar on that parcel or sim, I'm ARing them.......won't even talk to them about it. They are not supposed to be there and they know it. I don't care if they are adults in RL or not.......being there in a child avatar is enough for me to AR. Some of you folks are just what Lias says........heads so deep in the ground it's pathetic. There are children on the main grid, there also are pedaphiles roaming the grid looking for those children.........and all you are concerned with is "what about my right to ageplay?" Go ahead and ageplay.......just stay out of adult rated areas.

Now call me a bigot........I've been called worse.

Oh the humanity!

Life would be so simple if we simply stuck to the age old saying of "live and let live".

BUT NO

That would be way too simple and we would have nothing to feel good about in our little head, sooo, we create those big evil enemies, yeah those terrible peoples who dare take the appearance of children in a VIDEO GAME.

It always feel sooo good to go to bed every nights thinking long and hard "Today, i did my part and ruined someone's day, but it's all fine because they are evil and only deserve to die in a great pit of fire, along with rapist, real pedophiles, communists and muslims".

/sarcasm

Let me remind you peoples, in our great societies we condemn crimes of ACTIONS, not crimes of thoughts. We punish peoples who hurt real peoples, not peoples who engage in a virtual simulated fantasy acted by two consenting adults (which hurt nobody excepted your conception of tastefulness).

As much as it seems to be hard to wedge this IMPORTANT DETAIL into your tiny little mammal brains, if i want to simulate with friends the virtual death of a virtually pregnant mother and the vivisection of her virtual newborn children, it may be gross or "insert generic adjective" but it is in no way illegal, imaginating something, THINKING can't be a crime.

And please, oh please lets not bring the strawman argument that it's "encouraging peoples into a perversion" well guess what, we can say the same about most shooter games, they teach you to pop a bullet into peoples head and be insensible to the death of others, strategy games desensitize you on the human lives lost in global conflicts, war simulators could make you think it's okay to kill peoples because your commanding officer say so.
Strangely, even the most addicted players of those games seems to be quite normal, no foam at the mouth, no guttural screams, no dead grandma on the sidewalk...

I can make up more "concerned" shit like this but i'm by no means an expert at the art to make up baseless pseudo psychological bullshit to base my argumentation on, politics do.

Now Linden Labs policy is what it is,(and frankly as long as they rely on "me" ARing peoples, i don't give a shit) but it gives you no right to act like little vigilantes, and you can be sure if i catch one of you self proclaimed coppers i will give you a piece of my mind (and if you're on my land you will be ARed for harrassment and frozen while we dress you up in humiliating situations and take pictures).

SO... to conclude. Could the biggot stuckup do-gooder grid vigilantes step out of this thread? we don't need to hear their BS.

Child AV's can be on adult sims, Linden Lab have clearly stated this. Wasting Linden time with unjustified AR's should earn you a slapped wrist. If the child AV is in an adult situation, that's different. It's really not difficult to draw the distinction.



Paedophiles are roaming the grid looking for underage kids? Really? Got any evidence of this? If that's the case your concern should be with non adult sims as those are the places unverified accounts can access.

Oh the humanity!

Life would be so simple if we simply stuck to the age old saying of "live and let live".

BUT NO

That would be way too simple and we would have nothing to feel good about in our little head, sooo, we create those big evil enemies, yeah those terrible peoples who dare take the appearance of children in a VIDEO GAME.

It always feel sooo good to go to bed every nights thinking long and hard "Today, i did my part and ruined someone's day, but it's all fine because they are evil and only deserve to die in a great pit of fire, along with rapist, real pedophiles, communists and muslims".

/sarcasm

Let me remind you peoples, in our great societies we condemn crimes of ACTIONS, not crimes of thoughts. We punish peoples who hurt real peoples, not peoples who engage in a virtual simulated fantasy acted by two consenting adults (which hurt nobody excepted your conception of tastefulness).

As much as it seems to be hard to wedge this IMPORTANT DETAIL into your tiny little mammal brains, if i want to simulate with friends the virtual death of a virtually pregnant mother and the vivisection of her virtual newborn children, it may be gross or "insert generic adjective" but it is in no way illegal, imaginating something, THINKING can't be a crime.

And please, oh please lets not bring the strawman argument that it's "encouraging peoples into a perversion" well guess what, we can say the same about most shooter games, they teach you to pop a bullet into peoples head and be insensible to the death of others, strategy games desensitize you on the human lives lost in global conflicts, war simulators could make you think it's okay to kill peoples because your commanding officer say so.
Strangely, even the most addicted players of those games seems to be quite normal, no foam at the mouth, no guttural screams, no dead grandma on the sidewalk...

I can make up more "concerned" shit like this but i'm by no means an expert at the art to make up baseless pseudo psychological bullshit to base my argumentation on, politics do.

Now Linden Labs policy is what it is,(and frankly as long as they rely on "me" ARing peoples, i don't give a shit) but it gives you no right to act like little vigilantes, and you can be sure if i catch one of you self proclaimed coppers i will give you a piece of my mind (and if you're on my land you will be ARed for harrassment and frozen while we dress you up in humiliating situations and take pictures).

SO... to conclude. Could the biggot stuckup do-gooder grid vigilantes step out of this thread? we don't need to hear them, eyes injected with rage, drool pouring on the keyboard "YERRRRGHHAAHHA! BAN THEM ALL!"


As the well known painting from Magritte says, "ceci n'est pas une pipe"/"this is not a pipe"
His intent was to show that ,even a perfectly painted pipe is only a representation of pipe, wich can't be loaded, lit or smoked, in the same way, the word "dog" does not bite

Once wasn't enough Kyrah?

deleted the previous one, miscalculated the end of the page, peoples barely read the last post of a page, when there is a new one

And i reworded my conclusion.

I knew we had not heard from the full dozen as of yet - this one wants it to be 2005 again. Good luck with that.

Yikes!



/me wipes the flecks of drool from off her keyboard . . .

975 - Indecency, Mature content. (^_^)

185 - Ageplay. (^_^)

So... Adult avatars are committing about 5x the violations to common decency and it's kid avatars that are supposed to be seen as the problem? (O.o)

Based on numbers alone: Get rid of adult avatars. They're the sick ones. (^_^)y

I'm positive many here are just giddy as here's another indiviual to add to your neverending "We're trying to save the world" group.

They'll never learn.

For this group?

You kidding, right?

Not comprehensible Ricardo. Please re-word your flippant comment. Thanks.

I see a 182 for Ageplay........no 185.

The problem really doesn't fall on child avatars so much as it falls on the lack of concern for children.......real life children. Everyone wants to do their thing without restrictions. For the most part I have no problem with that at all. You want to be a child avatar, fine. Stay out of the adult oriented areas. If I want to play a hooker and decide to go street walking I don't choose PG areas.........it's that simple.

But my main concern is the almost total lack of concern for real life children who we all know are on the grid. And we also know (or should anyway) that there are pedophiles on this grid too..........and no I don't have any stats for that either (pedophiles don't advertise their presence. And I'm sure LL would not advertise it when they catch them). But, just look up the number of sex offenders in your neighborhood........you'll get sick to your stomach. If you believe the grid, with some 60 to 70 k regular logins is free of sex deviates you are absolutely beyond stupid.

And guess what a pedophile would be on the grid? A dirty old man or woman? Not on your life.........they would be child a avatar. So keep your head in the sand and whine like I know you will when FOX news reports a child meeting a sex offender from SL. It's a matter of time. I won't be guilty of "looking the other way" or making excuses that it's not my business.

They are not supposed to be here, they certified they where adults when signing up, so they lied and it's their problem, nobody here signed up for baby sitting.
And there's no relation between real childrens and child avatars, if anything childs will try to look as grownup asn they can because kids always long for being older.

Until the adult policy came in child av's could be regularly near adult oriented areas on mainland and we didn't have all this nonsense about their presence. I fail to see why it's an issue now. Child Avs can't be in proximity to adult situations, if they're in a non adult area on an adult sim it's not a problem.



Then take your concerns to the PG areas where people don't need to have even a hint of verification to access, that's where those who are upto no good are likely to head, they're highly unlikely to be going to places where some sort of verification is required and they also won't be hunting for kids in places where some sort of verification is required, after all SL is 18+, the vast majority of users are 18+, where's the attraction for someone who wants to groom a child?

Discuss.

I love how you justify your washing your hands of a problem.

No one is asking you to be a babysitter. But common decency says you should accept the adult role of protecting children.

Yes we all know children lie to get places they know they should not. They lie to buy cigarettes and alcohol too........do you wash you hands of that too? And, believe it or not there is a relationship between child avatars and real children............the peds will most likely be the children.

Keep showing me your intelligence.......I'm learning lots.