Filing of Abuse Reports for ageplay.

I'm fairly sure that this is probably not the best place to go about asking my question, but it seems next to impossible to catch a Linden's attention.

I'm one of quite a few administrators for a particular Adult roleplay sim and every so often, we do get an avi either posing as a child, or merely acting as one with an "old-enough" looking avatar. As this is something that I feel very strongly about, I will always go out of my way to be sure, no matter how tall the avi seems to be, and I do this by engaging the person in roleplay. As my own avatar is very disalarming appearance-wise, I usually get what I need to know in a matter of minutes. That is, the age they are trying to play as, and I report them to Linden Labs ASAP along with a copy of our conversation.

Our sim has just been through a move and as I was going through my archive of previous bannings to re-ban any that may still be around, I realized that quite a few were still around even though I was able to provide LL with a log of their blatant 'confession' of roleplaying as a minor. If they tell me that they are playing as 18 years old or older, but do not look it, I merely ban them and leave LL out of the picture.

Am I supposed to re-submit the Abuse Reports? Or, does anyone personally know anyone who could take care of this? It's really...not right...for people who were roaming an Adult sim as 15 year olds to still be around several months later.

Thanks much for the help.

I would say for any single offense, file one Abuse Report. If the resident repeats, file a new one.

Presumably the original AR has been investigated and the resident dealt with, presumably with a warning or suspension if their accounts are still active.

are you reporting them for rping a young person? Because that isn't against the rules. RPing a young person looking for sex is.

Yeah, you consistently say "playing as".

If someone actually IS a minor, they can be AR'd and LL ought to move them to the Teen Grid. If you are ARing someone who is actually an adult for roleplaying a child, you're wasting your time, because LL isn't going to do anything about it.

If you want to ban people from your sim for roleplaying a minor, you're perfectly in your rights to do that, but LL isn't going to kick someone out of Second Life just because you don't want them on your sim.

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Sadly, the only official channel available to you is the Linden Lab abuse report queue.

What you can do is make a chart of the offenders and include your original abuse report number for each one and file another ticket in the support queue. At least you would have done all you could.

Do not pass the information on to anyone in Second Life. The offenders are protected by the ToS. You can move the information outside of the Second Life Servers if you wanted to pass it on to any organization you felt could better deal with the ongoing problem.

It is really a shame that Linden Lab just gave lip service to being hard on these types of offenders.

I really hope you are not going so far as to actually RP a sexual situation or proposition there as that can likely backfire and get you in more trouble than the other avi.


Truthfully, whether they are RPing a 15 yr old or a 5 yr old, they are allowed to "roam an Adult sim" all they want -- as long as they are not doing any of the forbidden activities.

I think the OP is playing with dynamite in actually conversing in a risque way with child avs, and trying to play Catch a Predator when they are not part of the G team/Linden govt. Look what happened to the person who bought a stolen car in order to report it.

Your intentions might be good, and you might be above board, but there is a grey area here. I'd simply ban the people you suspect of age playing. Or if they are reported to you or caught then AR it. But getting into the mix yourself is a very dangerous thing to do in my opinion. I wouldn't do it.



I thought the TOS rule was that child avs cannot be in proximity to adult poseballs and such. In my opinion a child avatar should not be in a sex sim. I'm not saying they should not be on Zindra/adult land because not everything on Zindra/adult land IS adult oriented. But on an orgy sim - NO.

I guess it wasn't obvious enough that the sim in question is in fact a sim where "Adult situations" are quite common. These people are coming into the sim either looking and/or acting as minors in order to engage in ageplay. This is what I'm saying.

Then ban/eject immediately - no need to talk with them. That is what I would do.

Your response was very helpful. I will try and do that very soon. Thank you very much. =]

That does clarify things a bit, but you still have a very high chance of getting yourself in more trouble than the child avi.

Suppose that I am an FBI agent and I have tracked some asshole that likes to play with kiddies to SL and your RPing sim just happens to be one of the places he likes to hang out. I very likely would disguise myself as a child avi and come to your sim to see who might try to proposition me or get me into some sort of sexual situation. Believe me, I would not for a minute believe that your talk was just to trap me - I would look at that as an excuse to try and wiggle out of something.

I am saying that is how it could look and that is how it could happen. Ban if you wish, but be very careful about your conversations.

I keep notes on who I ban and why - and even on warnings and why. Definitely, keeping records can come in handy. I also make a fitting notation on the profile notes page in someone's profile, just to be fully covered in future.

As for past AR there is no need to re file it; assume LL took appropriate action at the time, which may have included a suspension or other censure, if they judged it worth punishment.

New to this, sorry.

When I mention the fact that I'm engaging them in a scene, it is NOT sexual. I am not stupid. LOL. I merely act concerned and make it obvious to them that I realize that they "look" young, and so forth. I ask them if they've lost their parents, how old they are...you get the gist of it. Nothing even remotely sexual passes my character's lips when I do this. Like I said before, my character expresses concern for them. Nothing more. And then it's game time when the cat's out of the bag. =)

But, seriously. You guys are right in many ways. I do consider the possibility of this method potentially backfiring on me, but I really do not see this as being a problem in my case. I'm very careful. The conversation only lasts up until they fess up, a minute or a few minutes longer, depending how long it takes them to respond, and then I take care of the banning and reporting. It's quite quick.

Thanks for all of your responses. They've been most helpful.

You do realize that is also the beginning of a 'scene' as well?

Again - very risky in itself. Unless you've been LL-authorized to do so.

Oh, definately. I do that, as well. Notes are fairly useful. I guess I'm just really hoping that these few that slipped through the cracks aren't doing again. Just found it rather odd that some were booted while these others were not when they clearly admitted to being a minor.

It's hard to say why. Perhaps those who were banned completely, were also committing infractions elsewhere. Perhaps their cases were more easily proven.

Hard to say - only the LL team would be privy to the full picture.

I do not agree. The tickets may have gone to staff that see no problem with virtual pedophilia. Sometimes we have to help Linden Lab do the right thing (as they promised to do in 2007).

Start a new ticket and attach a list of all of the ARs you made against the virtual pedophiles that you reported on before but are still in-world. Linden Lab really needs to stop ignoring this problem. That did not work for them in 2006 and it is not going to work now.

She notified them. All these folks got was a short suspension and a e-mail (if that, since they are still in SL with the same avatar). Linden Lab is not taking virtual pedophilia as serious as they would have anyone believe.

I won't deny you're being right, but really it's a risk I'd rather take. I've found far too many who didn't even really look like children playing as them. I mean, otherwise, they might have just been banned, yet still be here in SL to do as they will. Or, even worse, no one would have guessed at what they were up to because they would have just seen a petite looking avi with small features and left it at that.

Or I could just be stubborn. LOL.

Lias, my point was that LL did not ignore it, but rather, some were possibly punished with a suspension, which is just what you said too, later in your post above. I was trying to assure the OP that the AR was seen, was not ignored. It sounded as if they wanted to re file it because it had not been seen.

Now with the OP's latest post I see that they want to keep filing until the avatars are not in SL any more.

I'm stepping out of this thread at this point, since I've seen what I think the thread is about to become, enough to have the conversations memorized.

You never have come out and said. Are the "kids" asking for sex? If so AR them. Are they saying they are RL underage? AR them. If you think child AVs are creepy, eject and ban and be done with it.

I think this is always going to be a slightly perilous route to take, but I think I'd applaud the OP for what seems like a very thoughtful, careful, and (in my view) highly ethical approach to this. He is watching over an adult sim that contains, he seems to imply, sexual simulations (and if it is at all like other dark sims I've seen, these may occur anywhere, and not just within "designated areas"; his care is (understandably) for the sim itself, but also at least implicitly concerned with the ethics of ageplay.

Kaelan has given no indication that he is merely creeped out by child avatars; on the contrary, his cautious way of proceeding suggests that he is trying to be honest, thorough, and sensitive.

I suppose there is a chance that you could "entrap" yourself, Kaelan, but, unless I am missing part of the story here, I think you are behaving both responsibly and ethically. I guess as might be clear by now, the whole "ageplay" thing, and the use of child avatars in "adult" environments, is a bit of hot button issue in this forum.

Female, but hey, it didn't make that any less gratifying. Not in the slightest. That really meant a lot to me as I really am just trying to do the right thing. Thanks so much for the kind words. You understood exactly what I was trying to get across and then some.

And, I think I'll leave this at that. I did not mean to start anything. I just really think that this is important stuff. It is. And as I couldn't really find anything all too helpful anywhere, I came here. People need to stop brushing these sorts of things under the rug. Just banning them from your sim will keep them from coming back there, yes, but who's to say that they won't come back under a different name? Or, maybe they'll end up in ours? LL will get rid of them, and hopefully for good, if we do our part. The key word here being 'if'.

And now, I'm done. Thanks again to all of you and take care.

Ooops, sorry!

Best of luck!

To my mind, it's perfectly simple. Be upfront about it -- explain to the av that it's a sex sim and that the av's appearance is too youthful for you to be comfortable about it, so you're afraid you have to ask the av either to leave or to change his or her appearance to something you consider more appropriate for your sim.

Well i know of some people who find Furries kinda creepy,and i have been insulted about being a furry at times. And i know that weapons makes some people uncomfortable as well.

Because if i understand it's ok, as long as kid avis aren't near any "adult" poseballs and as long as they're clothed and not sexualized.