It would be nice if we ca also choose the landbot
Personally I prefer landbot hax he is fast and better than elanthius and merlin
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Tiziana Catteneo
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04-10-2007 19:06
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Sarah Nerd
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04-10-2007 19:08
It would be nice if we ca also choose the landbot Personally I prefer landbot hax he is fast and better than elanthius and merlin Better how? Because he is so fast he totally exploits bugs and has an edge to screwing people over? |
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Tiziana Catteneo
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04-10-2007 19:17
Better how? Because he is so fast he totally exploits bugs and has an edge to screwing people over? You are a landbaron and landbots do your job better Landbots steal others land faster than an human landbaron so the problem is not the landbot but how lindens manage the land system |
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Sarah Nerd
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04-10-2007 19:20
You are a landbaron and landbots do your job better Landbots steal others land faster than an human landbaron so the problem is not the landbot but how lindens manage the land system Often when an error is made, it can be caught quickly and changed before a human can tp in. Landbots take away any chance for a quick catch and fix. And I now get most of my land via auction and im's for quotes. Quotes because I built a decent reputation unlike the people like Merlin and Hax who survive on greed and theft for the most part. |
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Nobody Fugazi
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Kicking and screaming, back to the thread topic.
04-10-2007 19:20
At this time, we have surpassed 127,000L in donations for Lucrezia Ah. Everyone who has contributed even 1 Linden has become a shareholder in this problem - and a shareholder in a community that acknowledges the problem.
Raising 127K Lindens in a day is just. Wow. I mean, really. If the community can raise 127K this fast... it shows that the community is interested and has VOTED with their Lindens. And everyone who has been a part of this will not forget. So - here is what is happening. The land has been priced at 929,944L - a fair price for what it is - and any other donations will work toward decreasing the price. Here is how the numbers work out, for those in the Peanut Gallery: 540,000 - 21,000 = 519,000 L : this is the difference created by Landbaron Merlin. Chaos Mohr and myself (combined) put up 540,000L to hold the land. Therefore, we will get our money back - but if you check the records, we have donated on top of this. so the total price of the land, without donations, is 519,000L + 540,000L = 1,059,000 L Minus donations: 1,059,000 - 127,040L= 931,960L. Priced at 929,944 there should be no question as to the integrity of this. |
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mcgeeb Gupte
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04-10-2007 19:21
You are a landbaron and landbots do your job better Landbots steal others land faster than an human landbaron so the problem is not the landbot but how lindens manage the land system I'd rather sell my land to Sara than a landbot theif |
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Tiziana Catteneo
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04-10-2007 19:28
Sarah you are great and I would like to do just 1% of the things you have done but the problem are not landbots!
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tristan Eliot
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04-10-2007 19:31
I'd rather sell my land to Sara than a landbot theif Then people need to really start being careful when they mess with setting land for sale. I just sold 6 parcels of land over the weekend and to my knowledge not one went to a bot operator. |
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mcgeeb Gupte
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04-10-2007 19:31
Sarah you are great and I would like to do just 1% of the things you have done but the problem are not landbots! Yes and no. If the person was a landbot and they found out that they purchased something buy mistake and didn't give back the land then they are the problem. Yet at the same time they are causing a lot of lag in SL cause they keep hammering the land search. |
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Tiziana Catteneo
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04-10-2007 19:40
Sorry I am noob and I dunno if before landbots, landlords give land back if it was sold for free.
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Sarah Nerd
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04-10-2007 19:41
Sarah you are great and I would like to do just 1% of the things you have done but the problem are not landbots! Well Thank You! I appreciate the kind words. For me persoanlly, I see bots take advantage of errors and bad situations daily that they have caused or are tied to so my opinion of them is really sour. When the buy, kill spam lots, and develop land bots makes it into sl, maybe I'll have a better view on them. |
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Raymond Figtree
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04-10-2007 19:46
Sorry I am noob and I dunno if before landbots, landlords give land back if it was sold for free. Certain Land brokers would give back mistakes, others wouldn't. One who always gives them back and always did is Sarah Nerd. She can't spell very well when she's upset, but she is a model citizen and a generous person in every other aspect.  EDIT: Just read the post below...Sarah's generous heart strikes again. If anyone remembers Black Thursday, on the day when brokers including Sarah were getting killed, Sarah gave me three plots way below market to offset my losses. Did I mention she also supports the newbie with her killer Freebie Store and people who like to dance naked at her club The Angry Ant 2? What an avatar! _____________________
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Nobody Fugazi
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hehe
04-10-2007 20:00
Well Thank You! I appreciate the kind words. For me persoanlly, I see bots take advantage of errors and bad situations daily that they have caused or are tied to so my opinion of them is really sour. When the buy, kill spam lots, and develop land bots makes it into sl, maybe I'll have a better view on them. Sarah also just drove me slightly more insane by donating 10,017L to Lucreza, which has caused a decrease in land price, etc. |
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Nobody Fugazi
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aha.
04-10-2007 20:01
Then people need to really start being careful when they mess with setting land for sale. I just sold 6 parcels of land over the weekend and to my knowledge not one went to a bot operator. I bet you priced too high for a bot to be interested. Perhaps you should price lower. Of course, you won't. but if you make a mistake... well, better find some wood to knock on. |
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ArbaJayba Zebaki
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04-10-2007 20:01
Josey, because you derived no information from it doesn't mean it is useless. It means that you find it useless. Therefore, I see no reason to further explain myself when the rest of the thread outweighs what opinion you have offered. Thank you for your wisdom. HURRAY NOBODY.....is why i'm still reading... P.S. Nobody is really quite Somebody...  |
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Sarah Nerd
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04-10-2007 20:10
Certain Land brokers would give back mistakes, others wouldn't. One who always gives them back and always did is Sarah Nerd. She can't spell very well when she's upset, but she is a model citizen and a generous person in every other aspect. EDIT: Just read the post below...Sarah's generous heart strikes again. If anyone remembers Black Thursday, on the day when brokers including Sarah were getting killed, Sarah gave me three plots way below market to offset my losses. Did I mention she also supports the newbie with her killer Freebie Store and people who like to dance naked at her club The Angry Ant 2? What an avatar! I love you to death |
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ArbaJayba Zebaki
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04-10-2007 20:19
You are a landbaron and landbots do your job better Landbots steal others land faster than an human landbaron so the problem is not the landbot but how lindens manage the land system EXACTLY...The problem is niether the 'landbots' nor their owners. The PROBLEM IS that the LL allows them... |
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Jopsy Pendragon
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04-10-2007 20:31
HURRAY NOBODY.....is why i'm still reading... P.S. Nobody is really quite Somebody... Fine, fine. W.H. and her numerous alts win. I've officially quit on the lost cause that is Resident Answers. Sorry to interfere with your crusade, again. |
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ArbaJayba Zebaki
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04-10-2007 20:54
Fine, fine. W.H. and her numerous alts win. I've officially quit on the lost cause that is Resident Answers. Sorry to interfere with your crusade, again. Hey, buddy... the 'Profile' button is right there... I am nobody's alt but my own... And my point was that I found an answer here to a question I didn't know to ask.... Happy I did cuz I'm selling my land soon; I thank Nobody for this thread and agree with his opinions 100%. Again....HURRAH Nobody.... |
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Soen Eber
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04-10-2007 23:28
Well, personally I think all network traffic should be encrypted and any libSL client, etc, such as a landbot or whatever should go though a licensing process that involves a LL code review (which they would have to pay for) or go open source and submit for peer review (with a greatly reduced license fee). Any code which gets approval would get a decrypt key of some sort, something that is created partially from header information or checksum or whatever ties it uniquely to that exact code - and also make each project assigned to an LL advisor contact who can get in touch with them 24/7.
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Coyote Momiji
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04-11-2007 00:03
Sorry I am noob and I dunno if before landbots, landlords give land back if it was sold for free. Some, like Sarah Nerd, yes. Mistakes happened, they were rectified. Some were unethical twits, though. But they still had human reflexes, unlike the landbots. |
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Daisy Rimbaud
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04-11-2007 00:17
I've officially quit on the lost cause that is Resident Answers. Off you go then. |
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tristan Eliot
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04-11-2007 00:34
It's been posted everywhere else but on here, so what the heck. SecondLifeInsider: http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/2007/04/09/ui-bug-costs-second-life-user-thousands/ SLExchange Forums: http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=12066&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 The crux of it is that an Italian lady was cutting a 1024m piece of land for sale while all the bugs this weekend were biting. She says she set the 1024m for sale for 21000L and the 44,832m went up for sale instead - I've seen similar things when there is lag. Whatever happened, happened. But it was a mistake. So for a split second, this 44,832m - almost an entire sim - was set for sale for 21,000L. And Landbaron Merlin, a known bot owner and immediate reseller, purchased it faster than the speed of cancel and resold it IMMEDIATELY for 12L/m - 540,000L. Many people, when they find stuff like that, would allow for the human error. Even landbots. But Landbaron Merlin dares to be different and effectively made off with $2000 USD on an error which is unfortunately more common than most people will acknowledge. Linden Lab's response is that they don't interfere in resident transactions. They haven't really done much to reduce risk for residents in this regard - and they haven't responded to the loss of 2000 *real* dollars. Landbaron Merlin has been ignoring IMs all day. Long story short, Chaos Mohr is holding the land for the ladies, and so far the community has come up with 71,000L + (kept up to date on my blog here: http://www.knowprose.com/node/17505 ). While Linden Lab does nothing, the community has stepped in and started helping. At 117,000 L, the land can be sold (it is oceanfront) at 21L/m and everyone breaks even. at 519,000, the original owner can purchase her land back at NO cost for holding the land. The only one who gets a financial pat on the back is Landbaron Merlin, since LL seems to reward such negative behavior. You can take a look at the land here: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Atira/214/127/36 So what's this post about? It's informational, really. It could happen to you, and you could expect the same official response. If you are so inclined, you can help out - if not, no skin off my back. If you choose to help out, your money will be logged so that it can be returned if Linden Lab or Landbaron Merlin does something of worth. It is also to show that this is NOT a scam. If I really wanted your money, I'd have a sexy female AV and meet you in places in a mature sim. This is an isolated case where the community can help another resident - if it chooses to - where Linden Lab and unscrupulous landbot owners have failed. Personally, I'm pretty torqued that this sort of thing happens to good people in SL while those that display negative behaviors continue to run around, flaunting obvious loopholes in ToS and Community Standards. But that's just me, and I'm Nobody. There is certainly something suspicious about this new bot and how it is being used by its owner. It's almost like someone is trying to use it to make a point by creating trouble.  |
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Sarah Nerd
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04-11-2007 01:42
There is certainly something suspicious about this new bot and how it is being used by its owner. It's almost like someone is trying to use it to make a point by creating trouble. Oh STFU. The only point he is trying to make is the fact that he is greedy and unethical. |
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Stephen Zenith
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04-11-2007 03:10
Well, I'm not going to read the whole thread - I'm guessing it contains similar "discussions" as every other thread about landbots.
At the beginning of the thread there was a suggestion that the land got bought while cutting up land during the significant problems over the weekend, along with others saying she should have been more careful. Usually, I would agree with that argument (while also believing bot owners should give land back when it was sold in error or at the wrong price) However, on this occasion, I saw very similar problems to those seemingly experienced by the women involved. I bought a few sims over the weekend and was trying to cut them up for resale, and saw very peculiar things happening with land that had been cut or rejoined partially reverting states. At several points the reported size of the land did not match the land selected. I had the sense not to put any of it on sale until things calmed down a little, but I still have two parcels of land listed in the My Land list that don't exist, and are parts of larger parcels sold to other people on Monday. _____________________
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