How to lose 2000 USD.

Well shuckydarn. As far as ranting in current version feedback, that would be inappropriate as this is a community issue more than a technical one - and it is also a ToS and Community Standards issue because many people other than him seem to believe that *something* *is* *wrong* which has to be changed at that level.

I could write something witty in C++, but it would be lost here. Which is certainly my point.

I'll go with that. And I'll say that their negative behavior is being reinforced by an apparent lack of action w.r.t these issues by Linden Lab. But that's my opinion, and I'm nobody.

So what is so difficult about putting in a pop-up blue menu for the seller saying:

You have offered to:

Sell: 20,000 sq. m. at [NAMED LOCATION]

For: L$1

To: Anyone

Are you sure this is what you want to do? _ok _no, cancel

and make the seller click on it before the property goes on sale?

I mean, come on.

It would be easier to just eliminate the use of land bots...unless, of course the LLs or one of their employees has a vested interest in landbot operations. then all bets would be off. I have zero evidence of that, but LL's inaction on this really makes me wonder. I truly hope it is not so, though.

I fear that unless something EFFECTIVE is done the problem will just continue to get worse.

Why doesn't LL just not allow any sales to go through at all that are obvious mistakes. Say anything under 5L per meter should be Locked out. Just another stupid idea, i know but something needs to be done.

Another way to do it would be that when someone goes to buy your land up for sale, you have to accept the purchase. This would prevent quick bots grabbing before you have time to change anything that went wrong and for you to be able to decline the sale for whatever reason you wish.


Edit: I have put this in the 'Community Vote' ;o)

I'm pretty sure this very confirmation dialog already exists while putting a parcel up for sale.

The confirmation dialog does appear, or should. I have had cases where it displayed improper amounts due to the wrong parcel being picked after getting burned once (and wondering why this happened at all). Latency really can hose this up, and unless you're a seasoned seller who is used to double checking things, you may well get burned at least once.

I think the answer is that there is a period between the parcel being put up for sale and the land actually being for sale. Call it a 5 minute grace period. That way, if something gets hosed by latency or PEBKAC error, it can be fixed. And quickly. I'm sure everyone can wait 5 minutes for a parcel to go up. Yeah, it will suck most of the time but it IS better to have a failsafe in a bot-driven world with a bullet-ridden ToS and Community Standards than none at all.

And for the record - Bots are an imbalance easily beaten by adding value to something. Bots don't typically make a place appealing, whereas humans can. Of course, it takes humans to really screw things up (like ad farms too).

And don't get me started on the ad spammers.

Meanwhile, donations are now over 110,000L.

How is a land buyer "cheating" when he purchases land that has been put up for sale at a stated price, and he pays that price? The ethical issue is in not recognizing the probability that the price is a mistake, and not returning the land in exchange for his money when it is asked for.

As for not allowing land to be sold below a certain threshhold (such as L$5/m2), I have several objections to this: (1) When I'm selling land, it's my land. I like having complete rights to sell it for what I want, not be bound by law what I may offer it for; (2) I understand it is a common practice to sell land for L$1 or L$0 when one wants to simply transfer land to a friend or make a donation--it could be inconvenient for the recipients of such transfers to have to come up with the cash for the transaction; and (3) Everyone's complaining about how high land prices are, now we want to establish a hard-coded floor to prices???

I am not happy with most of the proposed fixes. For example, consider the step that requires the seller to confirm the transaction after someone has clicked "buy." If this is required, then people couldn't just put their land up for sale and take off on vacation; their buyers would be ticked off that land they tried to buy four days ago still hasn't been approved. If the buyer's money gets taken right away, they'll be all the more displeased; if it doesn't, the sellers might get upset when the buyers back out after a few days, and they have to start the selling process from the beginning again. Unattended selling is nice. If this feature is an elective option, the same people who don't pay attention when putting land up for sale to anybody at L$1 will continue to not pay attention when given the choice to confirm transactions.

I think the real solution is customer service. In RL, we have the courts to go to to resolve disputes. In SL, this seems hit-and-miss. Even if LL erred in favor of buyers, and only intervened in cases that were quite obvious mistakes, it would force the unethical buyers to be responsive and accountable--a healthy improvement.

Whoa, we are just trying to bring up ideas. As far as setting a bottom line for the "anyone" option that still would work. If you wanted to set it for sale to your friend, they could just remove the bottom line for that sell option.

So in other words why not set the lowest price you can sell to "anyone" at 5L per square meter. If you specified someone's name, then the amount per square meter would be allowed to be lower. It wouldn't be that difficult for them to add that.

They're not cheating when they purchase cheap land. But when someone instantly tells them it was a mistake they should return it.

He did something totally legal, it's her error.

Check his profile please. "Poof, your land is gone," is rather indicative of his motives right?

It's naive to think that whatever is legal is morally right. There is legalized theft, and legalized murder for that matter.

So... It's not bad enough that LiveHelp is going away, you really want to encourage people to use Resident Answers as the new General Forum ... and get it shut down too?

Sorry, no. I may be a useless resident "nitpicking" at people for "the stupidest things" but if you're advocating that anyone should say anything anywhere they like...

Then this is what I'm saying here:
If I have valid and or useful input on a VALID thread, I give it. (and I did some 18 landbot threads ago, for all the drama that created).

I'm sorry if my self-serving interest in trying to preserve Resident Answers as a place for people to get help (from other residents) offends you.

I have an idea. Let's stop selling land. Impractical, I know, but think about it - we could all stop selling land till LL does something about the landbots.

It would also be good not to put money in their pockets. It angers me to know some individuals are getting filthy rich off of others' mistakes. In addition to getting filthy rich by taking over the entire land economy because they happen to have a particular bot.

There's a court case going now where this guy who bought land due to an oversight on LL's part has taken them to court, because they took back his land, along with the land he had bought normally, plus everything else he has.

So to say, "Well, it's the seller's mistake, too bad" - that's not what LL says when the mistake is theirs, is it?

Just imagine - if everyone in SL stopped selling land, LL would do something about the landbots right quick, I would think.

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I hope that you don't have the misfortune of eating those words. It's very cavalier to be so giving with other people's problems.

I'll toss in the 16m plot cutters too. I'd love to see an empty land market for a few days, but it is impractical. Most people who hold land do so with tier payments and other costs which makes this sort of thing impractical.

And most transactions are between land holders anyway.

You seem to have a valid point, but it will be buried in a thread where people are discussing other things - perhaps you should take your own advice and start a new thread on this? I promise you that everyone interested in what you write will show up and post.

And I promise to not come over and hijack the thread.

Ah, but starting a new thread on that topic wouldn't be appropriate for Resident Answers, Current Version Feedback or Feature Suggestions.

Sorry, no. All I'm capable of is nitpicking about the stupidest things on existing threads.

I will never sell or buy mainland using the bugged in game system
Why don't you create a private website where pleople can auction their land?

I don't know. What are you doing here again?

Nevermind. I get it.

Thats Bs, I'm sick of people screwing over others and hiding under the TOS. It's not acceptable. How can you have absolulty no compassion for your fellow residents? You acually support this type of behavior? Is so which bots yours just so I know? And when this large of a sum is involved, live help from LL at the time is not to much to ask for.

Read though the threads here again, People are begging for help against this bot situation. Thank you for so much more insight into why your wasting our thread Officer Pendragon.

I think lindens must add a warning message like " ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO SELL YOUR 40000 SQM FOR FREE TO THE FASTEST LANDBOT? "