Blue Mars will use the Lua scripting language. Does anyone here have any experience of using Lua? Who uses it? How does it compare with LSL?
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Argent Stonecutter
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06-17-2009 02:54
It's a higher level language, often used in embedded applications, but I don't know of anyone using it in an environment where people running scripts in the same protection domain are potentially hostile towards each other... for example, I don't know of anyone using it for server-side active web-pages. BM appears to be limiting its use to the owners of cities and their approved agents, which avoids any need to deal with that use case. _____________________
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Rock Vacirca
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06-17-2009 04:13
Blue Mars will use the Lua scripting language. Does anyone here have any experience of using Lua? Who uses it? How does it compare with LSL? I have no experience of it. A user list (not sure how current) is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_(programming_language)#Video_games I don't know how it compares with LSL, in terms of functionality, ease of use, etc, but in terms of interoperability Lua is open-source and is used by many worlds/games (see list above) while LSL is proprietory and is only used in SL and partially in its opensim clone. Rock |
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Argent Stonecutter
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06-17-2009 04:43
I don't know how it compares with LSL, in terms of functionality, ease of use, etc, but in terms of interoperability Lua is open-source and is used by many worlds/games (see list above) while LSL is proprietory and is only used in SL and partially in its opensim clone. This means that, in the strictest sense, it is *less* proprietary than Lua if Lua (as is typical for open source programming languages released in the past 20-30 years) only has a single implementation.  _____________________
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Rock Vacirca
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06-17-2009 06:20
LSL is actually open sourced, in two separate implementations. The version included in the SL viewer is GPL, and the version included in OpenSim is BSDL. This means that, in the strictest sense, it is *less* proprietary than Lua if Lua (as is typical for open source programming languages released in the past 20-30 years) only has a single implementation. The opensim devs could not get hold of the server-side script-engine code, so had to develop their flavour of LSL from scratch (and they developed two engines, the dotNetEngine and the XEngine!). All they had from the 'open-source' LSL was a list of commands. This has led in many cases to a different interpretation of exactly what commands do and are 'supposed' to do, which is the reason that scripts in one will often as not fail to run (correctly) in the other. Opensim then expanded the original command list and developed a whole new set of additional commands, prefixed with 'os'. In addition, OpenSim currently not only supports LSL, but 4 other scripting languages as well (C#, VB.NET, JScript.NET, and Yield Prolog). As LL have never released their scripting engine code, I doubt that even the most liberal of interpretations could describe LSL as open-source. Rock |
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RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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06-17-2009 06:34
Looks like there will be an interesting discussion at Metanomics today with Catherine Linden and Jim Sink about Blue Mars:
Richer Worlds: A Look at Blue Mars Join us June 17th 1:00 p.m. Pacific Standard Time (PST) for a look inside Blue Mars as we welcome Jim Sink, Vice President of Business Development. Where are virtual worlds headed? Is there a place in the market for a ‘richly rendered’ 3D environment? How are new virtual worlds combining game mechanics and development pipelines with the social benefits of an online space? Jim Sink joins us for a discussion of their forthcoming Blue Mars virtual world, now available in closed developer Beta. We’ll ask Jim about the value proposition for Blue Mars: who will it appeal to? Will a ‘richly rendered’ world (using the Crysis rendering engine) preclude casual users, or those with lower bandwidth access or slower machines? How can content creators become involved in developing for Blue Mars? We’ll also discuss the business model and future economy of Blue Mars and dig a little deeper into learn a little about some of the partners with whom Avatar Reality is working. More info here: http://www.metanomics.net/show/richer_worlds_a_look_at_blue_mars/ . _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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06-17-2009 06:39
The opensim devs could not get hold of the server-side script-engine code, so had to develop their flavour of LSL from scratch They didn't use it because it was GPL, and they wanted Opensim to be BSD licensed, which they couldn't do if they used GPL code in it. The result of this is that there are now MULTIPLE open sourced implementations of LSL. As LL have never released their scripting engine code, I doubt that even the most liberal of interpretations could describe LSL as open-source. _____________________
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Rock Vacirca
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06-17-2009 06:57
Looks like there will be an interesting discussion at Metanomics today with Catherine Linden and Jim Sink about Blue Mars: More info here: http://www.metanomics.net/show/richer_worlds_a_look_at_blue_mars/ . Many thanks for that link Robbie, that is one discussion I shall not miss. Rock |
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RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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06-17-2009 07:17
Many thanks for that link Robbie, that is one discussion I shall not miss. . _____________________
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Ava Velde
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06-17-2009 07:24
Congratulations! You are one of a limited number of developers selected to participate in Blue Mars.
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Rock Vacirca
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06-17-2009 07:28
Congratulations! You are one of a limited number of developers selected to participate in Blue Mars. I am playing with Maya and the Sandbox for a while Congrats! See you in Beach City  Rock |
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Gabriele Graves
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06-17-2009 08:00
OK, signed up and got a developer account. All in all that was pretty painless. It really does look at least for the moment that it is open to everyone without significant barrier.
I figured that the best thing to do was to take a look, play with it and see what is what. That way my I can get the answers to my questions directly. If it turns out to be as good as they say then great, if not, then I have lost nothing except some play time. _____________________
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Rock Vacirca
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06-17-2009 08:03
OK, signed up and got a developer account. All in all that was pretty painless. It really does look at least for the moment that it is open to everyone without significant barrier. I figured that the best thing to do was to take a look, play with it and see what is what. That way my I can get the answers to my questions directly. If it turns out to be as good as they say then great, if not, then I have lost nothing except some play time. When did you sign up, and when did they confirm acceptance, if you don't mind me asking? Just wondering what the process time is right now. Rock |
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Ephraim Kappler
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06-17-2009 08:03
It really does look at least for the moment that it is open to everyone without significant barrier. What does that mean? |
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Gabriele Graves
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06-17-2009 08:04
When did you sign up, and when did they confirm acceptance, if you don't mind me asking? Just wondering what the process time is right now. Rock _____________________
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Gabriele Graves
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06-17-2009 08:05
What does that mean? _____________________
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Ephraim Kappler
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06-17-2009 08:12
It means you can fill in a form, become registered as a developer/content creator without providing any proof of qualifications or skill. The form just takes some personal details and then you get accepted. That simple. Thanks. I'll look into that. |
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Handy Skytower
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06-17-2009 08:25
I signed up for this ages ago.
I've never heard a word from them Just went to the site to see if I could download it and i can't when I tried to register it told me my e-mail was already on file I guess I've been rejected  Handy |
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Gabriele Graves
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06-17-2009 08:28
I signed up for this ages ago. I've never heard a word from them Just went to the site to see if I could download it and i can't when I tried to register it told me my e-mail was already on file I guess I've been rejected Handy _____________________
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Handy Skytower
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06-17-2009 08:34
Did you check your spam folder? Maybe they did reply? Yeah I did bummer On another note I'm beta testing Onverse now. Its kind of neat, no SL killer that I can see tho. Handy |
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Gabriele Graves
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06-17-2009 08:41
Yeah I did bummer On another note I'm beta testing Onverse now. Its kind of neat, no SL killer that I can see tho. Handy Other than that all I can say is that it sucks if they really rejected you. I would have hoped for at least an email saying I wasn't selected. I wonder how many other people had your experience. _____________________
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Rock Vacirca
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06-17-2009 09:16
I signed up for this ages ago. I've never heard a word from them Just went to the site to see if I could download it and i can't when I tried to register it told me my e-mail was already on file I guess I've been rejected Handy Just send a reminder email Handy. Rock |
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Clarissa Lowell
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06-17-2009 09:19
Just send a reminder email Handy. Rock How can they? They were told their email was already on file. I don't recall any place on the site to input email or contact the company other than the beta signup page. I think it's just not ready for beta yet, Handy. _____________________
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Alisha Matova
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06-17-2009 09:24
Congrats! See you in Beach City Rock Are people hanging around in there? I walked thru a few weeks ago and it was a ghost town. |
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Rock Vacirca
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06-17-2009 09:32
How can they? They were told their email was already on file. I don't recall any place on the site to input email or contact the company other than the beta signup page. I think it's just not ready for beta yet, Handy. By simply sending an email to the address at the top of this page http://www.bluemarsdev.com/gettingstarted/index.html reminding them that he registered, but had not heard anything. Several have done this and got approved right away. The beta is in full swing, and has been since the start of June. Rock |
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Clarissa Lowell
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06-17-2009 09:36
By simply sending an email to the address at the top of this page http://www.bluemarsdev.com/gettingstarted/index.html reminding them that he registered, but had not heard anything. Thanks! _____________________
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