Servers going Open Source?

Looks like Mari won!

with the IDV on the corner, ongoin grid attacks, unstable platform and now cheap™ land on the horizon, i fear it might be time to downsize for not holding to much expensive LL land

been thinking about it last night and all day today and the only thing i see in the future is unsellable expensive LL land, they`ll prolly push out another continent or 2 befor releasing the code for a quick cash out

also as ppl have said befor, having everything open source at "home", give u pritty much god powers regarding items and scripts

hell, my provider atm offers $95 a year with 3 terrabyte(3000gig) a month and could run a server at basicly $0 additional costs if i put all my old hardware in a case instead of paying $295 per month to LL for a island!

not against advances but this will leave every signle person who owns land in the cold with a land market crash we haven`t seen yet and there are for millions of usd in land on the grid as it is now with mainland and islands

allready thinking to passon the island as i can get a good rate for it and it being kept as it is with every single person remaining and must say that with the view abouve that no one has disproved so far it is getting very tempting to call sl a failed experiment and just do it for fun when not working or quiet entirely as planned befor

I wouldn't put the homestead on the market just yet...

I just tried the opensim project and on a scale of flaky, that is a 9.99.

It says to run some prebuild script (first step) and it crashed out like a plane with no wings. I mean it totally died. There is a troubleshoot section on the wiki, but none of the five or so scenarios shown there are relevant.

If anyone manages to get this thing functioning, can they wrap it up in a VMWare linux image and make it available? It's just so shaky at the moment, it's like pre-alpha alpha.

Anyways, I'm going to put this back in the deep freeze and check again around version 0.9...

no open source fanboys defending the release of million usd losses in land?

I'll take the bait

Basically, if there are open source sim servers and everyone can have their own sim, people will finally be free to create their own little area, and creativity will be limited by how much you can imagine, not how much is in your pocket. The number of sims will explode, and the number of users of SL will quadruple.

Fact of the matter is, open source sims is a better state of affairs than the overly expensive setup we have at the moment. Even if some people happen to have a lot riding on the status quo, an open source sim environment is still better.

and how exactly is the group with if this is released, all land will become pritty much wortless as land will be offerd so cheap that no one will buy from LL and all land on LL`s server will be unsellable

u know u guys will have this hoovering abouve ur heads as a lable for all time to come for everyone who holds land, right?

I'm not sure I understand large parts of that, esp. the bit, and how exactly is the group with if this is released....

Anyway on the subject of land becoming worthless, would it really be so bad if it became worthless? Sure, you and some other people might lose out in the short term, but Philip Linden's vision for SL was it'd become like the Internet, with SL like websites... We don't charge per website currently. Anyone can get a copy of apache and set themselves up with a cool, innovative new website.

I think that's a far better future than some kind of De Beers 'withhold the stock for profit' model of operation where land is kept at a high price and is closed off to all but one supplier.

me and some others? how about the entire grid???
is his vision so good that by allowing 3rd parties to connect to the grid at the expense of every land holder (small and big) to loose alot of their land value and having it almost unsellable

say 2048 beach front going for L$25000 and after this release every one and their dog can connect regions and offer it for L$2500 (hell, i can offer it then for even less) then u`ve pissed off everyone holding such land and this goes for every signle sqm

do u get the point now?

No I don't think I ever will either. Let's say it's the nineteen nineties, and there are, hmm, 100,000 people selling licenses for BigServe, a made up proprietary web server. Then along comes Apache and says, this tech should be free, cause it could benefit the whole world!

Would I support the 100,000 with licenses for their proprietary web server? I'd feel their pain. But you can't say, the world must not change cause I'm not ready for it. People have tried that. It tends to be the case the world changes anyway.

Besides, the greater good of creativity for all overweighs the temporary financial concerns of a few. But I don't expect the 'few' as I label them to be happy about it at all. There may even be fierce resistance. But then there will be change. And once the dust has settled it may even be good.

this has nothing to do with a webserver, this is the grid where ppl payed millions to own some land that will be janked under their feet

back to the example:
LL
2048sqm - L$25000 - $15 a month

3rd party
2048sqm - L$2500 - $3 a month

member wants to buy land:
LL: expensive LOL
3rd party: cool

member on LL land:
sell land: no way for 1/1th
pay tier: * times more expensive then 3rd


members on LL land:
won`t sell and pay * times more

members on 3rd land:
pay peanuts compared and will never move to LL
wich means no one will buy LL land and all current residents either take a HUGE loss (like anyone will want to pay the high tier...) or stuck with it for ever with high tier compared 3rd parties offering


don`t think i can explain it any simpler and even my cat can understand this

I don't care.
I don't care.

I DON'T CARE.

Who cares what you paid for land. Even if you paid a million dollars, if an open source sim comes, it comes and that's the end of it. If you're worried about land, take this as your early warning. Time to change your revenue stream. Be mad about it all you want, think it's injust if you want. but it's coming so get used to it. I'm done with this, no reply to follow.

so ur a 5 year old as u got the point now ROTFFLMAO

this isn`t about me
this is about EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE GRID THAT OWNS LAND, u and ur hippies are about to cause EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE GRID WHO OWNS LAND a financial dissaster u bunch of retards


maybe now every signle person reading this will understand what open source server will do

Whoooaaaa can we slow down a little? Open source servers are not going to happen overnight. There are not another 10,000 open sims ready to launch tomorrow, no one's going broke in the immediate future.

The server code isn't ready to go open source, there has to be a set of rules (and code implementing them) for offgrid servers to make use of the shared servers, and it seems to me that LL's just beginning on that. The grid needs yet another refurbishment for scalability if it's going to handle all these new servers ... again, architecture for that seems to be just in the planning stages, according to SL's Blog. There has to be some sort of certificate or other method to verify that a server IS actually the one a user thinks it is. Intellectual property issues with respect to content permissions have to be worked out.

work work work. There will be time to figure out how open source will affect current landowners.

if it happens tomorrow or in 2010, the same issue will allways be here and with the spam of LL releasing more and more and more sims the financial consiquences for ALL RESIDENTS is getting HIGHER and HIGHER and no certificate will fix that!

I'm not sure that insulting people is going to get your point across...

still being civil and explained as u would to a 5 year old so the point came across
if no one can understand what these guys are doing and how it will affect every single person on the grid, lets hope it happens tomorrow then and we`ll see what happens when reality sinks in the hard way after the dmg is done, all money scams(yea banks) will be less then a penny worth compared

Yay! Finally cheap land without the unnecessary markup.

Not a coder so this may be really dumb question but would it be possible to take the mainland sim I own onto a private server when the big day comes? So that if you host yourself it costs less, etc. I would assume LL would have some sort of plan as how to deal with mainland. Islands I would guess would be pretty easy to move but mainland sims are sims too and maybe could be moved to reduce costs.

Originally Posted by Alicia Sautere
"don`t think i can explain it any simpler and even my cat can understand this"


a cat that can read? ,can your cat talk? or is that an exageration or a lie... but why would one include a lie in a statement of truth?, or do you mean your cat understands you cant make it simpler, or that it realises you dont think you can explain... smart cat...

waits for the cat to post the evidence...

it`s asmuch a lie as the lie that open source servers is good for us

Ecentric nutters? Here im SL? Who would believe it?

YOU decide its bad for everyone because YOU and a select few have chosen to invest in a lot of land..and yes, it IS an investment and as such a risk. Things were riding high for a while and now it looks like everyone may be on equal footing and able to afford their own land without paying outrageous tier and you expect me to cry over your loss? Pardon me for not getting all teary eyed over the fact that more than the select few will be able to build their vision of SL instead of conforming to your little economic vision. Its coming, and the sooner the better as far as i'm concerned!

Alicia:
"it`s asmuch a lie as the lie that open source servers is good for us"


Some time ago.. it was good to go the moon... we went... now we dont... the moon is still there..it is good for us, we cant exist really without it. Until we went we really didnt understand the moon.. we could see it, but out of reach.. we couldnt examine it enough to understand what made it tick.. what benefits, if any... the moon enabled us.

Some folks are convinced we never went to the moon, that its all a lie.. but, the evidence is there.. one can ignore and fabricate , but the truth will shine.. like the moon does, every night.

It is just my opinion.. not evidence, i know.The truth isnt always obvious, or bound in a sentance, but a lie has no evidence of truth.. that holds it... makes it shine. The truth will always shine..

waits for the cat to post the evidence.

Moving to reduce costs would be a smart move when the open source sim becomes slightly more advanced. From what I've gathered, there will be a way to move prims and structures out of your open source sim to a file of some type (file as in word doc, excel, jpeg image... movable standard computer file). With prims and structures stored in a file for the first time, you would be able to move your stuff, but it's unlikely you'll be able to get your stuff out of Second Life as a file...

Translated; once you build something in an open source sim you should be able to move it from open source sim to open source sim with ease, but getting stuff out of Second Life will be somewhat harder... Though it may be worth putting up with the pain of the switch, for the ongoing reduced costs of your own infrastructure.

In any case, open source sims are not yet mature enough to handle full operations as a Secondlife type environment, though the work on the project so far is encouraging.

ooohhh maybe it's worth mentioning here that two types of open source simulators have been discussed in this thread, if I read your posts correctly, Jsecure et.al. .

1. Open source simulators, completely unrelated to SL or the code that LL has written (e.g. OpenSim). Since SL's client is open sourced already, these servers could theoretically completely support the Second Life client, and provide a very similar grid. If they are going to use the Second Life grid though, they have to be able to work with LL's shared servers (like the asset servers), but LL has so far not been hostile about that. But we'll see. Please correct me if wrong; I am not part of that community.

2. LL simulators, with LL simply making all or a part of their code open source, as they did with the client.

Both, neither or either one of these options could actually result in your nephew running a sim in his bedroom, under his dirty laundry. Lol (maybe)