Did a Particular Thread Poof for Anyone Else?

Indeed. But it's cheap and easy to satisfy one group of people, and complex and expensive to satisfy the other.

In addition, if you lose Land or L$, you can buy new land and L$. If it's mainland, the content of your land will be in a coalesced object in your Lost & Found, so you can even get your store back. In addition, group land ownership provides a workaround... for example, if I was banned, one of the other owners in the Coonspiracy could pony up the missing tier and keep on going. I was reminded of that last night when a friend IMed me asking what to do... the guy providing tier for their group had left SL and their group land was down to zero tier.

If you lose your inventory it can be literally impossible to recover, at any cost.

So... bottom line. There are two problems we'd like them to deal with. One is easy for them to do, and benefits all Premium account holders. The other is hard, and only benefits some of them. That's why I think it's worthwhile to focus on the one that's got a chance of actually happening.
They already effectively do this. The inventory will be idle, it will get swapped out by the garbage collector, and when the account is next used it'll take a couple of days in some cases to "wake up" again. I had an account I lost in the great password file debacle, and when I got it enabled again it looked like it was empty... but the next day it was all back.

It would probably be smart to make an alt (or alts) to handle your premium account needs.

You can try to CYA regarding LL's quirks, but good luck with that. They always seem willing to spring a surprise, and the left hand never knows what the right hand is doing.

Didn't Jack say it was no longer their policy to delete inventory, but it's still happening?

Both of which are precluded by the problem of getting them to give a damn.



/me remembers that thread. I think it turned out that Jack misunderstood the question or something.

It's not really silly on Linden Lab's part- Linden Lab is trying to evade some serious regulation as a financial institution, and they are already dancing awfully close to the edge of the cliff on that issue already. However, your suggestion does seem consistent with the Linden Exchange system they already have in place. It's too bad that there is no way for a resident to actually give a good suggestion to Linden Lab, so that management can at least run it by the legal department to see if it clears. Linden Lab could actually recoup money it would otherwise lose on the delinquent accounts.

Probably not since LL is supposed to sell the land and a sim should fetch more than the $295 (plus fees) they would owe.

But they don't sell islands - at least I've never seen anyhting but mainland in the auction.

They'd get nothing for the debt if they used the island to fill someone's order for a new island/sim.

Doesn't mean they won't though.

They might also just want to avoid another "Bragg incident" as well.

A touch! A palpable touch!

That's the conclusion I came to, and I commented as such in the JIRA.

Sure they do. It's indirect, but they sell the server, or the allocation of a server, to the next person who buys an island.

It's an even better deal for them than mainland, they get the money and they don't have to apply the money to the guy's debt.

I do know that LL sells islands. You missed the next part of my post - the part that said that providing a reclaimed island to fulfill an order means that they get no money in lieu of the debt.

Yah, I agree with your result, but don't forget I'm looking at this from LL's side.

But from LL's point of view, they can't consider a debt to be paid by selling the debtor's reclaimed island to someone who was buying anyway. If you mean something else, I haven't really been following the discussion in detail - just skimming, without really absorbing.

I'm looking at this from "does LL benefit from doing X". If they can save provisioning new islands or roll out islands faster by reclaiming islands, that's a benefit to LL. Whether they specifically apply any of this benefit to the debtor is secondary... either way it directly helps their bottom line.

I'd agree with that but I'm not aware that they were ever short of server space for new islands. I suppose each reclaimed one would save 1/4 of the cost a server so there would be some recompense.

lol sorta not *********** told me at his oh

my take on that too pon! the like "volunteers"! NEVER enough of those goin round will ing to work for a turkey sub or a handful of L$


lol sorta not *********** told me at his oh

If the accounts were deleted how can there've been disclosure? Just wondering.

Very good That never occured to me.

Hiya Ava.. wanted to make sure i responded to this. I wasn't absolutely positive, but when i closed the thread, it did seem to me that it had been discussed by the person in question in the thread mentioned. So, yes.. i moved the thread, even if it had been discussed openly elsewhere.

The reason being, is that i'm acting on Linden Lab policy, rather than social etiquette. So, my thought train was along the lines of, "Person X mentioned Person Y. Person Y was named by Person X and the information could reflect negatively on Person Y. Person Y did not have a reply ok'ing the mention. This is against policy and needs to be removed.".

I didn't see any malicious intent, trolling or flaming from what i read. I saw intelligent discussion overall and either a defensive tone for [Person Y] or querying the nature of the issue, more than a belittling or otherwise negatively intentioned reference. (Which is also why i'm not surprised that this thread is as intelligent as it is.)

So, in short... as a ResMod, i felt it was the proper response in literal, non-judgmental interpretation of LL policies.


*phew... breathes for a couple seconds*

ok...




There was still discussion of the financial and account status of someone who was specifically named, which compromised the security of an account, that Linden Lab states it provides the security thereof.

While, as mentioned earlier, it was discussed openly by that person elsewhere, that involvement was not present here at all. I don't moderate those forums and they are not owned by Linden Lab; therefore, they are not a valid variable in considering what would be disclosure/naming names. (I know i sound cold there, but just trying to present it as purely logically as possible. I do understand what's being said and "in the social cloud", it's a valid argument.)

Or in short... jus' doin' m'job, ma'am.

I know, and it's always nice to see you. It just seemed like one of those make-the-robot-explode type inconsistencies.

Good to see you too!

And good point.. *picturing the robot trying to make sense of it all* .. LOL!

Totally understandable. Mainly I just wanted to make sure we didn't get in trouble.

It would depend for whom the belle trolls.

I think someone in the "poofed" thread, or earlier in this one, either has or suggested an alt with an empty inventory to be the Premium account holder and the main and/or other alts be part of the land group, if that is preferred.

Since this is the second time I've seen this, *if* I remain premium when my yearly subscription comes due, that sounds like a good idea.

To avoid not losing land, can a Basic account alt contribute all the tier? I need to think this through, but it does sound like it could at least alleviate some of the issues we're discussing - the major one to me, as Argent and Qie said, losing all my main's inventory.

That's the catch, normally you have to be premium to buy tier at all, and even if you can find a workaround to the premium requirement, LL will be expecting those tier payments to come in and can hold your alt hostage.

At least this past summer, I was able to let an alt (a basic) buy land for a group, but that was just on the L$ side of things. The US$ tier was already there from premiums.