I tried to verify myself but you have to say which US state you live in and as far as I know none of the listed US states is in Britain!!!
Follow the instructions more closely, there is a country dropdown as well. Try not selecting United States.
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Baloo Uriza
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12-22-2008 16:27
I tried to verify myself but you have to say which US state you live in and as far as I know none of the listed US states is in Britain!!! Follow the instructions more closely, there is a country dropdown as well. Try not selecting United States. |
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Baloo Uriza
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12-22-2008 16:45
I don't think this will ever be a problem, but, if I could still be AR'd, it makes me wonder what the point of age verification was then. Legal requirement. And they have to treat all cases of potentially underage users seriously, as there are legal hoops all online companies have to go through when dealing with users under 18. The idea being so parents can more easily keep track of the who/what/where/when/why their kid's personal information is being used, and what their kids are doing online. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COPPA |
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Baloo Uriza
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12-22-2008 16:51
But LL's policy regarding this issue is frightful. They really need to do something about it. I wish I could figure out the right kind of lever we could apply to get them to realize it. This is an all-too-frequent subject in the forums. Never mind that it's something all online service providers have had to do for over a decade now. When I was a teenager working for the Boy Scouts of America, I was able to walk into my local US Bank branch and open my own account with my state ID and social security card, but the next weekend when I called TCI Cablevision to sign up for internet service, I had to put my mom on the line to complete the order, even though it was going to be in my name and I was the one that was paying for it... |
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Baloo Uriza
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12-22-2008 16:52
Peggy: The only fiction is that there is anything called age verification. Short of a dna scanner or implant for every use of a computer, you have no clue who is on the other end. Joe23 can be used by a 12yr old whose brother set up the account, and can be verified to that 20 something brother... but still used by an underage person. In which case they can be thrown out for either sharing accounts or providing false information. Problem solved. |
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Baloo Uriza
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12-22-2008 17:06
Indeed, it's refused my data like 5 times now. So I don't bother with the broken system, it's even more broken in world. So age verify the non-automated way, it's in the age verification FAQ on the support portal. Age restricted parcel, can't walk into it... but can tp in with a landmark or even from search... JIRA time. |
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12-22-2008 17:51
In which case they can be thrown out for either sharing accounts or providing false information. Problem solved. Prove it's false information or a shared account You can't You know the name the account was created under, you know the id of the person verified. You do not have any way to tell who is using the account. Age verification on the internet is a fiction that can't happen till orwell's ghost laughs and points to say "I told ya so in my books!" _____________________
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MortVent Charron
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12-22-2008 18:17
So age verify the non-automated way, it's in the age verification FAQ on the support portal. JIRA time. Why bother with a system that doesn't really do anything worth while. Especially when LL ignores any verification done... because they know it's a worthless system? There is no real reason to add yet another JIRA when several others already have them up for it. The system is flawed from birth in that you can verify a person's age... but you can not verify the user is the same. George can use Bob's verified account... and there is not way to tell this. _____________________
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madman626 Fall
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12-29-2008 23:27
if they are asking for accounts with payment info on...surely if she has payment info on any account that would get the ban lifted..to my knowledge no one under 18 can have a credit card? or did that change? yes been that way for some time now i had one at 15 with my dad no wost then cellphones |
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Nina Stepford
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12-30-2008 00:06
hi. this thread turned into a crapfest so i havent read past page 5, so maybe this issue has been resolved.
i am both concierge and speak romanian, so if your friend still needs help let me know. This post is to express my dismay and anger about the “disabling” of an avatar, and to ask for information and advice. The avatar of my Romanian friend was suddenly logged out when I was talking with her in SL on Dec. 12 at about 2 PM PDT. When she tried to log back in she was told that her account was disabled until after an hour or so. When she later tried to log in she got the message, “Login failed. We are unable to complete your request at this time. If you are unable to change your password please call (866-4769763)." SL did not give a reason why she should change her password, and no explanation. She was able to access “My Account” and change her password, but when she subsequently tried to log in to SL using the new password she got the same message quoted above, and she has continued to get that message ever since. She is in Romania and has a “basic” account. She cannot call the 866 number because she can't understand American spoken English. She filed a “ticket” with SL support and was refused any information. “Echo Linden” replied to her ticket: “Please add as an attachment you holding your identification card. As well scan a close up of your identification card. List any alts that you have and any account with payment information.” When she protested against sending pictures of her face and “identification card” (a term we don't use in the U.S.), Echo Linden replied flatly that if she wanted to “release” her account she would have to send the pictures. He didn't respond to her plea for some explanation. This is like something from a Kafka novel or Guantanamo Bay: “You are condemned!” “Why? What were the charges against me? What was the evidence?” “We won't tell you.” The irrational secrecy and the demands made by Echo Linden are so bizarre that two SL friends have suggested that hackers must be involved. They say that the Lindens would never make such an outrageous demand. My friend has lost her identify, her L$$, and all her possessions, as well as access to the house that she built on land I let her use. . . with absolutely no notice or explanation. She can no longer even access her account; she's shown a message that it is "disabled". Why should there be any question of her identity? The Lindens have had her email address from the beginning. If they send an email there, who else would receive it? And why disable one of her main avatars and none of the others, who are still able to enter SL? If you can offer any advice or information or comment, please do! Thank you. I think that this incident should be of great concern to the entire SL community. _____________________
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12-30-2008 00:25
The system is flawed from birth in that you can verify a person's age... but you can not verify the user is the same. George can use Bob's verified account... and there is not way to tell this. If Bob let's his kid George use his account then bad luck, there's no way to stop that. But that doesn't mean we should dump the whole password system because it's ineffective. Maybe when webcam retina scanning becomes the norm the problem will be resolved, but wait we can't do that, because it violates the right for SL players to be anomyous to LL incase they are in the witness protection program or something and a SL empolyee dobs their details in to the Mob for snitching, of course this means the the quality of the new false ID they have been given is obviously useless. _____________________
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Ceka Cianci
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12-30-2008 07:29
i don'tunderstand why people are worried about showing a pic with their ID and LL seeing who they are..i mean they have all the access they want to my payment info and anything else i would be worried about..if they were gonna show up at my door to kill me i would atleast like them to know who is about to shoot them..have some sort of closure for them
![]() if they are worried about LL seeing they may be another gender than they are i wouldn't worry too much..I don't think you would see them jumping on grid yelling .Hey guys guess what we just found out!!! So and So is a Girl!!! if you want to play in their world you have to live by their rules..if not you have all the freedom in the RL to stand up for your beliefs and not comply.. it just won't get you in this until you do is all.. _____________________
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Raudf Fox
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12-30-2008 07:30
The age verification system was flawed in that you could pretty much make up the info and it would approve it. I could use my cat's info and it'd probably verify it as true. I don't think my cat would be very happy if I stole her identity, but there you go.
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Sling Trebuchet
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12-30-2008 08:00
LL already have my true RL ID.
If we age verify, we do not show *anything* to LL. LL would never see the details submitted in the Age Verification process. They would simply see an indicator that Integrity had accepted/"verified" some RL details linked to a avatar-related code that LL had passed to them. What we would do in the Age Verification process is submit RL details to a third party (Integrity). In many parts of the world, the details demanded by Integrity are not otherwise available to them to verify against. Integrity have absolutely no way of verifiying national ID numbers, Driver Licence numbers, etc. They still demand them. They want to use them commercially at some stage in the future. That's the business that they are in. Those who wished to verify, but not disclose their true ID can simply submit the ID details of someone else, or credible-looking details of their cat. According to hearsay, people have submitted IDs for celebrities and known-to-be-dead terrorists. Age Verification does nothing to verify identity or age of the person submitting the details. It's just a PR exercise. Apparently, an age-verified avatar reported for being under age has to submit RL ID to LL. And insanely, if they get reported again, it seems that they have to resubmit the same details to LL again. It's ass-covering on a monumental scale. |
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Raudf Fox
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12-30-2008 08:42
Apparently, an age-verified avatar reported for being under age has to submit RL ID to LL. And insanely, if they get reported again, it seems that they have to resubmit the same details to LL again. It's ass-covering on a monumental scale. Let's just say I agree with all of the before and add to this section: It's not that hard to have a nice little checkbox for Lindens only that says, "Has this person ever been reported for age and has verified their age? Y/N and date of verification" If it says Yes, then unlock the account and life goes on. How hard is it to code that? I know I recommended a teen to the Teen SL. I spoke with his parents before I did, letting them know that while it's easier to get on the adult grid.. it is ADULT. And that I'd tell 'em if I caught the boy on the adult grid. _____________________
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