Outrage!

I managed it ok when it was just a test run, so maybe it's changed since then.

Why does this response remind me of this . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRfegO8tXZg&feature=related

Pep (Sorry if it is a bit difficult to understand)

LOL that is just GREAT because LL wont even let me use my paypal account!!! I've been fighting this for 6 months.

Okay, so wait. I got bored one day and age verified myself ... obviously the online version didn't work, so I sent over a copy of my ID along with a bank statement (important information cleared) to prove my identity.

Now, since I'm already age-verified by SL, does that mean an AR could still effectively be placed against me for being under age?

I don't think this will ever be a problem, but, if I could still be AR'd, it makes me wonder what the point of age verification was then.

Oh, I see.

Well, sorry for your friend, anyhow. It may still work out if they can somehow send age verification. It sounds like that is what SL is asking your friend for?

The only point of Age Verification is so LL can say "we have a system in place" the next time a scandal happens. It seems to be enough to cover them legally even though the "system" doesn't work and is easily gamed.

Yay. . .

And from reading other threads, I guess I'm also allowed in Sims that require age verification ... somehow I don't think I'll be finding or going to many of those.

Where did you get this idea? I had a bank account when I was a kid. So did my son.

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Companies can be silly due to policies they set up to meet regulations. I remember I had some stock my father gave me when I was 15 or 16 -- one share. For some reason I don't recall, 30 years later, they wanted proof that I was over 18. Well, I'd owned the stock for 30 years, doh! But still they wanted a copy of my birth certificate to meet regulatory requirements.

But LL's policy regarding this issue is frightful. They really need to do something about it. I wish I could figure out the right kind of lever we could apply to get them to realize it. This is an all-too-frequent subject in the forums.

Perhaps sometime if someone suffers actual significant monetary damages due to a false accusation, they could sue LL.

I think LL gets more abuse than they deserve in general, because anything complicated stinks from some point of view. But regarding this policy, they really need a wake-up call.

Bingo.

Paypal registration ddoes nothing in terms of verifying age, as already stated you can have a bank account and be under 18. I was 13 when I first had one. But keep the fiction coming, it is very entertaining.

This is pretty typical of LL's incompetent handling of customer service issues. They are so short staffed and overwhelmed by the amount of AR's they process, they spend very little time addressing each one, send out lots of canned violation notices, often with vague or incorrect information on them. There is very little she can do about it other then comply with whatever they want. Yeah, it sucks, I know.

So...you could be fully age-verified and then some newbie griefer who's 9 years old in RL decides to AR you as under-age and it's bye-bye Second Life?

I have heard too many stories from people who claim they were age verified, and still they were shut out of SL when they got an AR for beeing underage.

Not permanently, but they had to send in their information again and was out of SL until LL recieved their information the second time.

It is too easy to use age verification as a griefer tool, from what I understand.

Yeah keep the fiction coming. I keeps the masses stirred up so that any attempt aimed at reasonable age verification will be suspect. Support of those attempts will be met with opposition and ignored by most. Nothing is game proof so nothing should be done.......and then we are "outraged" when incidences like this crop up.

And my disclaimer on this subject is the same I've expressed several times in the past (when the Integrity thing came up quite some time ago). Nothing is perfect. Integrity is in the business of ID verification. It shifts the burden to Integrity therefore giving Linden Lab (and residents) some level of protection. Refuse to use the program and it will certainly fail........as it has to date.

We are dealing with that failure now.

blame the victim much

Peggy: The only fiction is that there is anything called age verification.

Short of a dna scanner or implant for every use of a computer, you have no clue who is on the other end.

Joe23 can be used by a 12yr old whose brother set up the account, and can be verified to that 20 something brother... but still used by an underage person.

It's failed because it doesn't work. Enough peopl have tried in good faith and were unable to verify, not counting the ons that used false information to do so. It is a sham, LL has no interest in any real verification plan or else they would have done something to fix it.

Indeed, it's refused my data like 5 times now. So I don't bother with the broken system, it's even more broken in world.

Age restricted parcel, can't walk into it... but can tp in with a landmark or even from search...

How is the victum being blamed? It seems LL is catching the blame here to me. We are taking the what the OP stated as what took place. We all are speculating on the reason for the "why". Linden Lab is not going to chime in here and deliver their side.......as they should not do in the first place. It makes it so easy to point at whatever LL does and say they are incompetent and morons.

They reason the subject of this thread has been locked out could be for other reasons that no one wants to consider. We don't know and will never know. Questions pertaining to accounts being closed or suspended should be directed at LL. Not one resident of SL can help......they can only further the controversy with wild accusations, unverified tales of past incidences of abuse by LL, and damning anyone who does not agree with them.

The victum is not being blamed.

Hell, even if the age verifying part really worked, LL messed up implementing it inworld. I actually did age verify and then got denied entry to various parcels when the owners of those parcels flipped the flag.

Nobody is asking any of my friends for anything.

Here we go again...............

Who has done all this testing? Can I believe them anymore than I can believe Linden Lab or Integrity? Do I know them? Are they who they claim to be. Did they really do an impartial test? Can they really intentionly give false information and be "verified"? Can they really give true information and be rejected?

How many have verified with factual information and had no problems? There are NO FACTS here!! Just whatever it is you choose to believe. I've said so many times that there is no foolproof system.........no system that cannot be easily gamed with just a little thought from the person wanting to game it. So please stop quoting me and telling me that little tidbit of information........I ALREADY KNOW THAT!!!

I don't know why I constantly take flack for stating the simple truth about any system of verification (of anything on the internet) which is, without some hard core delivering of personal information to some company that many have never heard of there is no way of being foolproof. I would be hesitant to give that information myself.........but I don't cry foul when, because I refuse that information, shit comes down on me.

The choices for the subject of this thread are limited. Give the information or not........gain their account back or loose it. Our choice is limited too. Live with no verification system and continue to have problems like this (which, by the way, are rare) or leave SL and find some other product to bitch about.

Yes. Scary, isn't it? Especially if you verified exactly to avoid such trouble happening. Often enough - because of the normal way with ID card number, passport number or drivers license number not working - with using the manual verification, sending in copies of the documents with pictures and everything via fax or ticket attachment. You feel on the safe side - and "poof!": you're gone, and you are asked to send in EXACTLY the same stuff again to get your account back.

I actually verified a variety of ways. I verified this account and my commonly used alt with factual data and then verified one of my unused alts with fake data to see if I could. I sectioned off a piece of land and flagged it for Age Verified only. I could not even get consistent results. All three accounts were sometimes denied entry and all three sometimes got in -- and no matter how many tests I ran, I could not get consistent results.

And before you give another obvious answer -- I was a programmer for years and I do fully understand thorough testing and only changing one variable at a time and repeating it over and over to confirm stuff.


I won't really debate whether or not we *should* be age verified. Additionally, I think we all know that no system is really hack-proof and most of this is for LL legal protection anyway.

BUT, if they are going to try to implement something, anything, they should at least make sure it works right. Personally, I think the fact that they are having so many troubles getting it to work right is exactly why it still has not been implemented after well over a year since it was first rolled out for testing.

And my question is still the same. Who are you? How can I absolutely trust anything you say here on this forum? What, exactly, were your facts you entered in your test? What, exactly, were your erroneous facts you entered in your test? How, exactly, did you impliment your test section for your test parcel? How can I trust anything you said you did? I don't know you any better than I know that moron that cut me off on the freeway last week. Yet, you expect me to believe you.........

See my point now? You are expecting Linden Lab (or Integrity, in this case) guarantee you can trust them. Just as you expect me to trust you. Short of giving the same information that you would give your bank for online banking (and the same guarantee of complete privacy), you are not going to have that trust. I know I would not give such information for the priveledge of playing Second Life. So I know I will have to live with the flawed policies of LL. You're just not going to get what you demand without giving a lot of personal information........information you obviously are not willing to give. So, why continue with the constant bitching about the imperfections of this system? If you have a business in SL and value the income from that business the come up with some ironclad, foolproof method to protect that business. Otherwise, live with the risks that are present now. Or, do what I do.......treat SL as a game. I can live with the imperfections and the only lose I could incure is loosing my account and having to find something else to intertain me.