Outrage!

Well then I WONDER why anyone would post a comment "wondering" if the subject of this thread has a child avatar in the first place. What made that poster "wonder" that?

Thread has degenerated to an argument about age verification...........and I'm as guilty as anyone for taking it in that direction. Our "FACTS" are all really nothing more then "WONDERINGS"

Phil does have a way, though, of distilling posts into extremely narrow and rigidly defined out-of-context bits that can be more easily picked apart and rebutted, thereby generating 20 pages of argument which completely misses the point that was so obvious to begin with but gets forgotten in the storm of disdainful rhetoric that follows.

No spam, no ID theft, no virus or trojan sent my way. In fact I've heard nothing whatsoever from Integrity.

No spam, no ID theft, no virus or trojan sent my way. In fact I've heard nothing whatsoever from Integrity.

Where I get "touchy" is all the experts telling me that LL doing me (and all residents) wrong with making age verification mandatory for entry in certain parcels.

It's very much up in the air if the system will, in fact, protect LL. But, who are we to debate that?

Now, if you are really so interested in helping Linden Lab get a more reliable system why don't you call them or write them an email......maybe even go to "office hours"?

YOU CANNOT TAKE ANYTHING SAID AS FACT HERE ON THE FORUMS.

That's a load of garbage. However I do have a way of actually assuming that a person means what they write, and responding according to what is written. For instance, when someone quotes me and responds by saying things like "your friend", I assume they mean what they write (i.e. my friend) and that they've made a mistake. If the person didn't mean my friend, then they should learn to write more clearly.

Huh, you know this is what I'd like to see from LL concerning age verification:

1. It needs to be done at account creation for all new accounts and all the older accounts need to have limitations until verified.

2. Consistent verification process that can accept forms of ID from around the world.

3. Trust whatever age verification system they chose.

4. If a person is AR'd for being underage, instead of just locking the account, lock the account and send an email to the listed email addy on the account with directions on how to verify age.

5. When age is verified the second time... note it on the account! If LL's jittery about keeping information on their servers, then a simple "Has this account been materially verified? Yes/No." And using it to avoid age verification griefing.

7. Those who fail to verify age should not only be blocked from having alts on the main grid, but if they are actually teens, they should NOT be allowed to make a teen account or have their account transferred to the teen grid. Really, do we WANT to reward Lil Bratty for being bad?

... I didn't jump on that thought like everyone has jumped on the false accusation of underage. Maybe that person is really 13 years old too. No one knows........if they do they are not saying.

“Echo Linden” replied to her ticket: “Please add as an attachment you holding your identification card. As well scan a close up of your identification card. List any alts that you have and any account with payment information.”

I'm glad everyone is finally beginning to see my point........YOU CANNOT TAKE ANYTHING SAID AS FACT HERE ON THE FORUMS. Not even from me.

Mission accomplished.................LOL

That's how it SHOULD be - but not how it IS. No matter how your verification status is, if you get AR'd for being underage, you will be suspended. LL doesn't look at what they already have on file.

I knew what the post in question meant (both parts of it), and I would be very surprised if most other people here did not interpret it as intended as well. What you're saying actually supports part of my point, being that you tend to ignore any and all context and instead argue things into the ground that are either trivially self-evident or make no sense whatsoever outside of said context. Those things are easy to harp against and let you be "right" over and over (albeit in a hollow meaningless way), and save you the trouble of giving any consideration at all to what people actually mean or, god forbid, conceding that they may have a point.

I also don't see why anyone who won't verify themselves has the right to AR another person forcing them to verify.

I also don't see why anyone who won't verify themselves has the right to AR another person forcing them to verify.

This post is to express my dismay and anger about the “disabling” of an avatar, and to ask for information and advice.

The avatar of my Romanian friend was suddenly logged out when I was talking with her in SL on Dec. 12 at about 2 PM PDT. When she tried to log back in she was told that her account was disabled until after an hour or so. When she later tried to log in she got the message, “Login failed. We are unable to complete your request at this time. If you are unable to change your password please call (866-4769763)." SL did not give a reason why she should change her password, and no explanation.

She was able to access “My Account” and change her password, but when she subsequently tried to log in to SL using the new password she got the same message quoted above, and she has continued to get that message ever since.

She is in Romania and has a “basic” account. She cannot call the 866 number because she can't understand American spoken English. She filed a “ticket” with SL support and was refused any information. “Echo Linden” replied to her ticket: “Please add as an attachment you holding your identification card. As well scan a close up of your identification card. List any alts that you have and any account with payment information.”

When she protested against sending pictures of her face and “identification card” (a term we don't use in the U.S.), Echo Linden replied flatly that if she wanted to “release” her account she would have to send the pictures. He didn't respond to her plea for some explanation.

This is like something from a Kafka novel or Guantanamo Bay: “You are condemned!” “Why? What were the charges against me? What was the evidence?” “We won't tell you.”
The irrational secrecy and the demands made by Echo Linden are so bizarre that two SL friends have suggested that hackers must be involved. They say that the Lindens would never make such an outrageous demand.

Your reasoning is good, and you may be right about age being the issue, but she's 37 years old and has been in SL for about 2 years, I think. Why suddenly obliterate her without notice now . . . and leave her alts intact?

And why not tell her that age is the issue, which might have encouraged her to show her face and ID to a stranger on the internet? Why keep even the issue secret from her?

if they are asking for accounts with payment info on...surely if she has payment info on any account that would get the ban lifted..to my knowledge no one under 18 can have a credit card? or did that change?

Yeah, there have been prepaid cards for kids for some years now, and they've started to become pretty common.