Words from Chairman Kingdon - Adult Content

Wait? You aren't a sweaty Bible thumping, rosary chanting fanatic? And you call yourself an American? Off to Europe with you!

Jesus Christ!!! No, not that!!!!

LOL and why not? come to Holland where we all live in windmills, wear clogs and smoke copious amounts of weed that we grow in our gardens

My ass. Why do you ask?

The whole point of this thread is not about legal ramifications of LL changes, and not about the current state of religious beliefs in these united states. This is about what will happen to SL due to Kingdon's beliefs based on his writings.

My personal opinion, based on his writings and what is coming out of LL, is that he is catering to the religious fundamentalist types who don't give a hoot about facts. [Obviously you do . . . hmmm that could be problematic in the new SL. Quit asking questions Brenda.] That 75% caters to those who don't care and can use it to support the new vision of SL.

BTW, when you look at the numbers, notice that the combined creationist and theistic viewpoints total about 80% - statistics can be used to prove anything. This is really a topic for another thread.

http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=118

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2680/nearly-half-the-u-s-population-believes-the-earth-is-less-than-10-000-years-old

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0115poll.asp

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm

You will provide quotes for his "fundamentalist" beliefs? Because nothing in your first post will support that.

My profile is banned anyway in search, so why would I care? That pic is btw one of my very first ones in SL and I consider that history and art .

Hah! So it's true...I knew it

Gee whiz, Chris. I said that is my opinion. Can't I have opinions based on what he said? Did you read Kingdon's articles? How many forum posts are there wondering what the implications are for adult/mature restrictions? No one need wonder if s/he takes the time to read Kingdon's words.

Early on I decided not to interject my opinions for the very reason I knew that someone would twist what I said, and ignore what Kingdon is saying. Obviously, it is easier to critique my thoughts rather than tackle the larger issue of what SL is going to become. Maybe you do realize that, I don't know and won't guess.

Plenty of windmills to tilt at here, I hate clogs, and have never parteken in the happy grass. Plus orange is not my best color.

So you aren't basing your opinions on facts,just your own personal biases. I read his writings, he seems much more like a corporate weasel than a fundie. But that doesn't fit into your "ignorant Christian American" stereotype.

You can be a theist, and a creationist and not be a fundamentalist. You could be a creationist and still believe in evolution for that matter. I'm not particulary religious anymore, but there are vestiges of my 12 years of Catholic School left in me. I'm no fan of right wing fundies, but I am also increasingly annoyed by many on the left who sneer at and deride ANY person who shows even a slight religious belief of any sort.

One can have a faith, practice it devoutly and still not be a wacko. The so called intelluctuals of our day seem to be incresingly intolerant of that with which they don't agree. In my opinion.

This is a corporate maneuver, plain and simple. It may dovetail with a segment of the religious types, but only because Corporate America wants a squeaky clean image so THEY will buy their products. Master Kingdong is worshipping the God of Green and Gold, nothing more. In my opinion.

Chris, you have just confirmed my stereotypical belief that having opinions is not accepted on these forums.

For you it is easier to pick on me than it is to offer a constructive response to the larger matters affecting SL.

BTW, let's hear your facts proving the Kingdon is a weasel.

And that is SL will become AOL3D. Massively marketed, ubiquitous, clean, boring and totally devoid of any creativity. It will make LL a lot of money. If they do it right. If not, the SL will be another failed internet business.

Awww, that is sad about being banned, but a precursor to what is to come for so many. Consider that you may be on the cutting edge of the new SL? I think it was in an article linked to by Lord Sullivan to the LL attorney who laid out what will be considered adult [in so many obtuse words, of course.] Somehow, I can't imagine that LL is going to distinguish between art and adult/mature content. All of it will be marginalized to Ursula.

Bingo! You win a pie of your choosing, Brenda!

Key Lime, please.

Consider it sent.

a) mainstream, correct.

b) not sex in general but kiddie porn was what produced the uproar, at least over here in Germany

Well, it's all *going* to Ursula, but it may only be in Kingdon's dreams that Ursula will be marginalized. It could go either way, and by nerfing Search they've erected quite a barrier to use of Adult regions for diverse commercial purposes, but there's another way this could work: it could be that only newbies and the pathologically pure will enable anything other than Adult, leaving the entirety of sub-Adult SL empty, the modern equivalent of uninstalled AOL CDs.

Good points, Qie, thank you. So to understand you better, please bear with me for a moment and see if this is a fair assessment of your thoughts:

Suppose that Kingdon knows he can profit from adult content, but wants to present to the world a G rated image of SL to make it appeal to, what he perceives as, a majority of the world-wide population who will come when adult/mature content is no longer visible. He keeps adult content, but markets SL as clean and wholesome fun for the whole family.

The analogy might be akin to an amusement park where anyone of any age can spend the day and be assured of wholesome fun, and, yet, way off in a far corner [the east side in particular], is an unadvertised ride for adults only. Will only the G rated rides have lines? Or, will adults head to that east side ride and leave the kiddies at home?

Nothing is as black or white as portrayed here, but if the kiddie rides succeed will their parents start protesting against the adult ride to have it closed?

In mine too.

This has become a very rare case though. In my experience so far, the devout ones - no matter what flavour - almost always were the intolerant ones, trying to imprint their view of the world onto others.

What happens with profile picks,i had a vendor replace a 10,000L play unit i had lost with 2000 inventory items that went poof
He was kind enough to give me another one and in return i put his place in my profile picks but it is full of descriptive words describing his sex products
So where i go in sl and my profile gets viewed anyone can see those words,i suppose i could edit the words and put in my own
But what about profile picks that have words that are filtered in search

There's been a number of times that I've wondered what the political and religious views of the Linden staff were, usually after people start attributing Linden Lab decisions to the political or religious beliefs of the investors and employees, but I never seem to be able to find much about them. I looked around on the web for Mark's religious background and didn't find a thing, though I did find several Mark Kingdon's that are different people.