Words from Chairman Kingdon - Adult Content
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Ponsonby Low
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05-06-2009 17:37
From: Colette Meiji Of course it gives the impression that if you go premium you are some kind of Cyber-Perv, which is bad.
And it gives the impression that if you've been Premium for months you are some kind of precognitive, which could lead to life in the dungeon laboratories of the CIA.
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Ponsonby Low
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05-06-2009 17:44
From: Victoria Todd User fees didn't support cable for long though, did they? At least on mine even the channel with program listings is a bit more than 50% advertising with the listings scrolling in between. ETA - For the younger folk: early cable channels truly did only carry ads for their own upcoming shows, except regular broadcast stations just being carried on cable (your local stations and a few like WTBS that were on cable in a lot of markets). Oh and no "infomercials" on any channels, it was illegal. WEIRD. It's true that in the history of cable TV, people's fees DID, at first, pay for freedom from advertising (since the only channels on offer were HBO and similar others). But as far as a relevant analogy: You can't legally get cable without paying. And if some (such as, possibly, M) get their way, you won't be able to legally access Internet sites without paying. Whether you have to look at ads once you've paid, is a separate question.
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Ciaran Laval
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05-06-2009 17:47
From: Desmond Shang "Escorting and You: how to make thirty cents an hour or more!"
Are they escorting in 19th century Whitehcapel??? Oh hold on a minute!
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Rime Wirsing
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05-06-2009 19:24
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Sindy Tsure
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05-06-2009 19:42
From: Paracelsus Schonberg Heed these words from the Chairman to learn the fate of SL... /me whispers "er.. Philip is chairman of da board - M is CEO."
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Jumpman Lane
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05-06-2009 20:02
what linden lab really fails to understand is that the first hour of second life is hard enough as it is. itishard enoughto LEARN to play sl, so hard the average person doesnt stick it out long enough to log in ever again after that first hour. are you trying to tellme that some one is going to keep playin sl if all they can access is places lke the Hotspots. empty boring EMPTY DUMPS. the real sl willbe on the mainland or isolated one private estates. you think some noob is gonna cough up personal info off the bat or at all if all they ever see is a hotspot or something like it. they wrecked sl for what temp edu-tards and biz noobs who wont use sl sfter the recession when they can book junkets to the turks and caicos. hehehehe. The segregation of content like that is a HUGE mistake UNLESS LL advertises their lil porn ghetto! lmao. no worries. oce again WE"LL pickup the mantle that the cluess dropped!
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Paracelsus Schonberg
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05-06-2009 20:08
From: Sindy Tsure /me whispers "er.. Philip is chairman of da board - M is CEO." You may be too young to remember an author of the 20th century known as the "Chairman" whose work was oft quoted. 
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Victoria Todd
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05-06-2009 20:09
From: Ponsonby Low It's true that in the history of cable TV, people's fees DID, at first, pay for freedom from advertising (since the only channels on offer were HBO and similar others). But as far as a relevant analogy: You can't legally get cable without paying. And if some (such as, possibly, M) get their way, you won't be able to legally access Internet sites without paying. Whether you have to look at ads once you've paid, is a separate question. Agreed. But your point about its business model having been primarily user-support (as opposed to advertiser-support) initially is relevant too, in the sense that what early adopters of cable thought they were paying for was not actually what they ended up with.
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Oryx Tempel
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05-06-2009 20:29
From: Ceka Cianci i'm not going back to premium because of adult content..i sure wish they would have made it a value for everyone to turn premium.. they must just roll dice on some of these decisions i swear lol Weeeelll... no one's actually SAID that this is what's going to happen. But if I was LL, this is what I would do. *shrug*
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Colette Meiji
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05-06-2009 20:38
From: Rime Wirsing I find this difficult to believe - but am prepared to be enlightened.
Show me the numbers. It was a rough approximation based on common knowledge. You must be new. The dismal premium compared to non-premium numbers used to be one of the rotating thread topics around here.
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Sindy Tsure
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05-06-2009 20:56
From: Paracelsus Schonberg You may be too young to remember an author of the 20th century known as the "Chairman" whose work was oft quoted.  Frank Sinatra?
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Paracelsus Schonberg
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05-06-2009 21:06
From: Sindy Tsure Frank Sinatra? LMAO! He hadn't even crossed my mind. 
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05-06-2009 21:19
-For immediate release-
San Francisco, California
Linden Lab to offer premium accounts for access to porn. After searching for months to find reasons to subscribe to a Second Life premium account, Linden Lab comes up with the ultimate perk, sex.
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Ponsonby Low
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05-06-2009 21:51
From: Victoria Todd ...what [people] thought they were paying for was not actually what they ended up with. There, you have uttered wisdom that applies to every aspect of living. Damn it.
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Lord Sullivan
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05-07-2009 02:21
From: Paracelsus Schonberg You may be too young to remember an author of the 20th century known as the "Chairman" whose work was oft quoted.  You mean Chairman M(ao) ? lol Here is the latest offering from our Chairman M(ao) http://www.mixedrealities.com/?p=1396
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Qie Niangao
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05-07-2009 03:18
From: Ponsonby Low And it gives the impression that if you've been Premium for months you are some kind of precognitive, which could lead to life in the dungeon laboratories of the CIA. Hey, buddy, this is no dungeon! True, it's below ground, dimly lit, and a little damp, but the treatments are voluntary--we're free to leave any time we want, we're just more comfortable staying here now that we've removed the shiny hats. 
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Tegg Bode
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05-07-2009 04:59
From: Oryx Tempel Yes it would be a bad thing. There are plenty of free accounts that create content in Second Life, and would rather NOT have their credit card charged to Linden Lab... especially if it's made widely known that it will be required to go Premium in order to get into the hard core stuff. I'm sure there are a few spouses out there that would be less than understanding. And ther are a lot of creators in SL that will pay to stay and keep making profit, and possibly the influx and conversion pf many people to actually put RL cash in instead of only spending camping earnings may easily cover the cost. Once people have their payment info on file they have a much greater chance of putting RL money into SL than those who don't. Will SL be ruined if the population shifts from campers to spenders?
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Qie Niangao
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05-07-2009 06:01
From: Tegg Bode Once people have their payment info on file they have a much greater chance of putting RL money into SL than those who don't. Will SL be ruined if the population shifts from campers to spenders? Very good point, and one reason that an Adult rating is as much an opportunity as it is a risk. It's difficult not to make the mistake of fighting the last war. We know some large percentage of shoppers are currently NPIOF. With the Adult Content policy, that will change. Afterwards, those who remain NPIOF will be a very different population, and one much less profitable to have hanging around a place of business. If they later make Adult areas "pay to play," a similar change in demographics will obtain as those Adult areas become the refuge from griefers on throw-away alts.
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Paracelsus Schonberg
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05-07-2009 06:23
From: Lord Sullivan You mean Chairman M(ao) ? lol But of course! Chairman Kingdon should be pleased with the comparison, because Chairman Mao was read and appreciated by millions and his work laid the foundation for the future of China. 
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Paracelsus Schonberg
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05-07-2009 06:59
"Asked whether Kingdon considers Second Life as a world or rather as a web application, the CEO answered that he sees it as a combination of both. He takes the world aspect seriously . . ." Yes, he does take it seriously, which is why he will implement his vision as found in his writings from 2005-2006. The problem is that the nature of the world has changed since he had the epiphany and he has not adjusted his vision for changing technology, market trends, and cultural progress [read this as changing attitudes related to sex]. Chairman M(ao) may have been big time marketing guy in the past, but his time has come and gone. Unfortunately in the meantime, SL will become sanitized, i.e., any and ALL "adult content" [however the hell they want to define it]: will be banished to Ursula; will become an opt in by payment feature, and SL will resemble Disneyland. As a friend [yes, I have one] posted in another thread, has anyone considered the possibility that Chairman M(ao) is a bible thumper? I won't get into the right/wrong aspects of religion, but he appears sanitized enough to rank right up there with right wing religious movements in the USA. There was a good reason he choose Howard Stern as his example of opt in for adult content.
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Oryx Tempel
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05-07-2009 07:13
From: Qie Niangao Hey, buddy, this is no dungeon! True, it's below ground, dimly lit, and a little damp, but the treatments are voluntary--we're free to leave any time we want, we're just more comfortable staying here now that we've removed the shiny hats.  Echo: "Did I fall asleep?"
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Argus Collingwood
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05-07-2009 10:08
From: Desmond Shang Adult is the new Premium. And believe me, people will pay for it. A lot. Maybe not you guys due to principles, but the people here two years from now sure will. It's a longtime proven approach that works, too. Sin taxes, anyone? Exactly, since the age verification via SL does not always work for all people everywhere, the only way to really get into Adult will be to be premium or get Payment Information On File. I wonder how all the Adult Sim campers will continue to help game traffic figures without Payment Information on File. Even bots will need to verify to bump those numbers for traffic 
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Chris Norse
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05-07-2009 10:12
From: Paracelsus Schonberg But of course! Chairman Kingdon should be pleased with the comparison, because Chairman Mao was read and appreciated by millions and his work laid the foundation for the future of China.  Every mass murderer should be so well appreciated.
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Paracelsus Schonberg
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05-07-2009 10:25
From: Chris Norse Every mass murderer should be so well appreciated. Now, now, Chris, let's not get carried away with the analogy. I really DO like Chairman Kingdon. I do!! I was just kidding . . . Oh no! Too late!! There are guys in trench coats breaking down the front door. Gotta ... run ....
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Lindal Kidd
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05-07-2009 10:34
From: Chris Norse Every mass murderer should be so well appreciated. An apt comparison, Chris. Look...I know a lot of you think that I am rather shrill and over the top about this topic. And you are probably saying, "how can anyone compare Mark Kingdon to a mass murderer? He hasn't killed anybody!" This is a virtual world. Recently, it's been pointed out that SL is, in many ways, a country...not a platform, and that we residents are immigrants. So I will say it flat out: Mark Kingdon has committed virtual mass murder in our virtual world, and he has plans to kill off a lot more of us virtual immigrants. The Open Space bait-and-switch caused the grid to shrink by 5,000 sims, about 17%. People ordered those sims, they paid monthly charges for them. They had homes, shops, and businesses on them. Some of those people are still around...they consolidated their Open Space sims into single islands, or they abandoned them, or sold them, and got on with their Second Lives elsewhere. (I personally benefited from the change...the refugees from Open Spaces came back to the mainland and started renting from me again...but that doesn't mean I approve.) Not everyone became a refugee. A lot of those people are NOT around any more. They've left Second Life. In virtual world terms, they are dead...and they were murdered by Mark Kingdon via corporate policy. The Adult Content clusterf*ck is his latest pogrom. By indirection, miscommunication, silence, spin, and outright lies, LL is planning to squeeze adult content out of Second Life, or at best marginalize it. Since he wields a corporation, the only thing that will stop him is the courts. I have neither the time nor the resources to mount a lawsuit, but I sincerely hope that some of the larger SL businesses will do so. If anyone spearheads a class action, you can sign me up.
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