Words from Chairman Kingdon - Adult Content
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Milla Janick
Empress Of The Universe
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05-06-2009 12:18
From: Desmond Shang Adult is the new Premium.
And believe me, people will pay for it. A lot.
Maybe not you guys due to principles, but the people here two years from now sure will.
It's a longtime proven approach that works, too. Sin taxes, anyone? Premium actually costs money. Verifying Adult does not. How is this a "sin tax"? The people who will be verified adult will just be putting credit card information on file. They're already spending the money now. I don't see how this is in any way comparable to a Premium account, or how it increases revenue. The only potential change in SL Adult demographics I see is people who are spending money anonymously now will find some other outlet for their jollies. |
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
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05-06-2009 12:23
In reading that comment, I am struck by one thing. Isn't SL already "opt in"? I can Google SL all day long and never make it onto the grid. I have to take the steps of downloading a program, signing up, and state that I am an adult. No one finds the SL grid by accident. They have to want to be here.
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Lindal Kidd
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05-06-2009 12:31
Yes, but it's another example of "corporate speak". What M means by "opt in" is "pay to play." SL is free.
Free, in the sense that you don't have to pay to use it, that is.
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Ponsonby Low
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05-06-2009 12:36
From: Chris Norse In reading that comment, I am struck by one thing. Isn't SL already "opt in"? I can Google SL all day long and never make it onto the grid. I have to take the steps of downloading a program, signing up, and state that I am an adult. No one finds the SL grid by accident. They have to want to be here. You're absolutely correct, but of course M was using 'opt in' as a euphemism for 'pay us for this'. His use of the analogy of Cable versus Free Broadcast supports this, as the whole point of the Cable business model is that the money is made from the fees paid by users, not---as with the Internet in its present state---made from fees paid by advertisers who want to reach those users. He envisions a 'no Internet site accessible unless you register and pay' future, or so I'd guess. |
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Chris Norse
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05-06-2009 12:41
I guess that is why I will never be a corporate CEO or an elected official, I am not fluent in weasel.
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Rime Wirsing
Color me gone
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05-06-2009 12:42
Google this
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Ponsonby Low
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05-06-2009 12:43
From: Chris Norse I guess that is why I will never be a corporate CEO or an elected official, I am not fluent in weasel. It does appear to be a basic requirement, doesn't it?  |
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Ponsonby Low
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05-06-2009 12:49
From: Rime Wirsing OK - basic math.
1 year premium membership = $72 = $6 a month = Three gallons of gas or a pack of cigs
You get a L$300 pw stipend which is ~ worth $5 a month.
So - if you 'spend a lot of money' in SL anyway How hard is that $1 a month to take? You're right. It's not that much. But it's a margin that will have a devastating effect on the Private Estates rental business. Currently, virtually all who rent on Private Estates are NOT Premium members. The price they pay their landlord includes, implicitly, the landlord's own Premium membership cost. Of course it also includes the landlord's tier cost, and that is a larger component of what the tenant's rent pays for. But the point here is that under the pay-rent-to-private-estate-landlord, it doesn't make sense for the person paying rent to a landlord to ALSO be paying for his or her own Premium membership. A lot of people, if forced to pay for Premium membership (in order to access Adult content), will decide that their most economical option, now, is to buy their own Mainland parcel. It's going to be a rough shake-out for the estate rental business. |
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Meade Paravane
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05-06-2009 12:51
From: Rime Wirsing OK - basic math.
1 year premium membership = $72 = $6 a month = Three gallons of gas or a pack of cigs
You get a L$300 pw stipend which is ~ worth $5 a month.
So - if you 'spend a lot of money' in SL anyway How hard is that $1 a month to take? That math only works for premium members that have less than 513m2 of land, BTW. It's not the premium that really counts, it's the tier.
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Rime Wirsing
Color me gone
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05-06-2009 12:55
Google this
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Ponsonby Low
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05-06-2009 12:59
From: Rime Wirsing You may be right to some extent but somehow can't see people with a long term investment in estate living, sense of home, friends and neighbours giving that all up for the uncertainty of mainland life - and all for $1 a month.
Hey - maybe the Ls will give a stipend break to anyone donating their 512 sq m premium allowance to a non-profit or 'starter home' project. Now there's a thought. That IS a good idea. They could even milk it for the good publicity, as a way to justify doing something so improperly unsharkish. And yes---if this really does happen (access to Ursula for Premium members only), I would expect that the well-designed, well-run Estates (particularly the themed ones) will go on and will do fine. But the 'get rich quick by buying some Homesteads and filling them with renters' schemes will definitely suffer, if Premium memberships go up as a percentage of all residents. |
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Victoria Todd
Elderly Lingerie Model
Join date: 19 Jul 2006
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05-06-2009 13:21
From: Ponsonby Low
His use of the analogy of Cable versus Free Broadcast supports this, as the whole point of the Cable business model is that the money is made from the fees paid by users, not---as with the Internet in its present state---made from fees paid by advertisers who want to reach those users.
User fees didn't support cable for long though, did they? At least on mine even the channel with program listings is a bit more than 50% advertising with the listings scrolling in between. ETA - For the younger folk: early cable channels truly did only carry ads for their own upcoming shows, except regular broadcast stations just being carried on cable (your local stations and a few like WTBS that were on cable in a lot of markets). Oh and no "infomercials" on any channels, it was illegal. WEIRD. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-06-2009 13:55
From: Chris Norse I guess that is why I will never be a corporate CEO or an elected official, I am not fluent in weasel. Don't feel bad, I'm a ferret and I still get sin tax errors reading weasel. |
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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
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05-06-2009 14:06
From: Argent Stonecutter Don't feel bad, I'm a ferret and I still get sin tax errors reading weasel. /me groans and facepalms. How long did it take you to ferret out that one? And do you ferret all about the sensibilities of the rest of us? Give us a straight answer, don't try to weasel out of it.
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
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05-06-2009 14:07
From: Ashe1 Writer What?? Look at the online porn industry...plenty of men pay this and more It isn't the price that is at issue. It's a refusal to pay extortion to continue to receive what we already regularly receive. How would you feel if you were told you couldn't go to any of your favorite malls or stores, unless you paid for 'membership' in a completely unrelated club? Not "join our mall discount club", where you know the merchants all cooperate and benefit from that club, but "Unless you pay Giuido each month, our thugs won't let you go in that store.". Would it matter how much it cost? LL is already collecting tier from the landlords or property owners of the adult stores. Why do I have to pay EXTRA money to Linden Lab, for the right to walk into those stores? For EACH ONE OF MY ACCOUNTS? I shouldn't have to, and I will not. Not while LL still allows free and unverified access to the rest of SL for any griefer. The ONLY way I would pay even one thin dime every month to LL for the right to go into SOMEONE ELSE'S STORE would be if LL locked the doors 100% to anyone who was not a Premium member, including all the griefers and bots.
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Oryx Tempel
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05-06-2009 14:08
From: Lindal Kidd /me groans and facepalms.
How long did it take you to ferret out that one? And do you ferret all about the sensibilities of the rest of us? Give us a straight answer, don't try to weasel out of it. *slaps Lindal with a dead herring* Bad girl. |
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
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05-06-2009 14:11
From: Lindal Kidd /me groans and facepalms.
How long did it take you to ferret out that one? And do you ferret all about the sensibilities of the rest of us? Give us a straight answer, don't try to weasel out of it. You otter stop badgering me, it's been a long day and I'm totally skunked, dog tired, but I still can't bear to let you outfox me. Oh, yes, it's a boar but I can rabbit on all day like this... |
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
Join date: 14 Mar 2005
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05-06-2009 14:11
From: Oryx Tempel *slaps Lindal with a dead herring*
Bad girl. I wouldn't badger her about it!
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Lias Leandros
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05-06-2009 15:31
From: M Traditional media are more heavily regulated. In general, if access is free, content is required to be "decent." If users opt in (i.e., subscribe), content can take on other qualities.
More likely, mass-market sites reliant on ad revenues and the public goodwill will reassure advertisers their brands are placed in a reasonably comfortable context and adult conversations and exchanges take place in private.
In the end, we'll have two Webs, roughly analogous to broadcast TV and cable -- one free, the other opt-in. Whether there will be a fee to opt-in, I don't know. Is this guy really planning on disrupting these Mature business and then planning on profiting on them by charging users to access the content we pay him to have on his servers? It is a diabolical plan. SEX SELLS. .
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Amity Slade
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05-06-2009 15:46
From: Desmond Shang Adult is the new Premium.
And believe me, people will pay for it. A lot.
Second Life is not the only place one can go for adult entertainment on the internet. Even though there are people who will pay a lot of money for such entertainment, there is no reason to believe that they will spend the money in Second Life. There are people who will spend a lot of money on vintage wine. But that doesn't mean that the people who buy their wine in boxes at Food Lion for $5.00 would pay $100.00 if the price tags were altered tomorrow. |
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Tarina Sewell
Just Browsing Thank you
Join date: 20 Jul 2007
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05-06-2009 15:47
I dont think I have ever been to Ursula..... I will go now.. lemme log in
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Colette Meiji
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05-06-2009 16:25
From: Rime Wirsing And that would be a bad thing?
well that would be a sure fire way to get "mainland" adult content down to the 2-4% LIE Since premiums are less than 4%. Of course it gives the impression that if you go premium you are some kind of Cyber-Perv, which is bad. And it wont stop actual Adult use of SL, since Private Islands won't be affected. |
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
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05-06-2009 16:45
From: Colette Meiji Of course it gives the impression that if you go premium you are some kind of Cyber-Perv, which is bad. New Premium "Package" Offer, for men! $L 300 a week one freenis two poseballs one REAL gold chain with SL logo one virtual "Rollex" with Diamondbright (TM) automatic RL subscription to Aristotle's new Blinger's Magazine VIP "Verified Real Man In SL" group membership 512m of adult verified mainland and at the six month mark you get: "I'm so drunk Barbie" female avatar three saucy outfits of your choice one very real book by the renowned author John Norman voice modulation software "Escorting and You: how to make thirty cents an hour or more!" NOW how much would you pay, guys?
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Snickers Snook
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05-06-2009 17:07
From: Meade Paravane How many birds in hand do you have to have to outweigh 100,000,000 theoretical birds hiding in the bushes? Aren't you supposed to raise your pinky to your mouth and laugh maniacally when you use numbers like this?
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Ceka Cianci
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05-06-2009 17:17
i'm not going back to premium because of adult content..i sure wish they would have made it a value for everyone to turn premium..
they must just roll dice on some of these decisions i swear lol
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