Haggis is an English and not a Scottish dish
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08-03-2009 05:34
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8180791.stmFrom: someone A haggis recipe was published in an English book almost two hundred years before any evidence of the dish in Scotland, an historian has claimed.
Historian Catherine Brown told the Daily Telegraph that she found references to the dish inside a 1616 book called The English Hus-Wife.
The title would pre-date Robert Burns' poem To A Haggis by 171 years.  Will the labeling have to change and is Scotland's dish dead now it is been shown to be an English invention 
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08-03-2009 05:39
As a British person, the fact that haggis might be of English origin rather than Scottish makes no difference to the likelihood that I would eat any, which is still 0% !!!
It is also supposedly true that St. Patrick was of English origin, being from Somerset in south west England and of Romano-British ancestry. Of course, in St. Patrick's time, neither England nor Ireland existed as nations. England was coming to the end of bing ruled by the Romans and Ireland, I think, was a series of kingdoms and principalities.
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08-03-2009 05:41
From: Conifer Dada St Patrick was English too, not Irish. Supposedly he was from Somerset in SW England, of Romano-British ancestry!  I didn't know that either, but had to chuckle at the haggis story and its good with HP sauce 
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08-03-2009 05:49
Sorry, I edited my post while you were replying - but I didn't change its content, only the way I communicated it!! A bit more on St. Patrick here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_PatrickNext time I go to Ireland I'm determined to find a snake living in the wild!!!!! |
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08-03-2009 05:53
From: Conifer Dada As a British person, the fact that haggis might be of English rather than Scottish makes no difference to the likelihood that I would eat any, which is still 0% !!!
It is also supposedly true that St. Patrick was of English origin, being from Somerset in south west England and of Romano-British ancestry. Of course, in St. Patrick's time, neither England nor Ireland existed as nations. England was coming to the end of bing ruled by the Romans and Ireland, I think, was a series of kingdoms and principalities. I understand that is covertly acknowledged by most Irish people that he was actually probably Welsh, although with Roman connections. He was kidnapped by Irish raiders and worked as a swineherd before escaping back to Wales, getting educated and choosing to return to Ireland to educate them in turn. He impressed them by banishing snakes from Ireland, which was pretty sneaky since there had never been any there in the first place. Pep (No, I wasn't there - I'm not quite that old - but that is the version I was told by an Irish historian friend.) PS Haggis is now much more accessible - instead of two hours boiling it takes ten minutes in a microwave; like Christmas pudding.  )
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08-03-2009 05:57
I thought the wild English haggis (long tailed haggis) had been hunted to extinction in pre-Roman times, forcing the druids to switch from haggis-tails to mistletoe for their rituals. The Irish haggis was introduced in Scotland by the da Derga but failed to survive south of Hadrian's Wall due to its tendency to explode in the presence of kippers (which eventually led to its extinction in Ireland after an unfortunate accident involving St Patrick and a hangover remedy).
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08-03-2009 06:00
Spaghetti reportedly originated in China. It hasn't hurt Italian food's reputation any.
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08-03-2009 06:11
From: Pserendipity Daniels I understand that is covertly acknowledged by most Irish people that he was actually probably Welsh, although with Roman connections. He was kidnapped by Irish raiders and worked as a swineherd before escaping back to Wales, getting educated and choosing to return to Ireland to educate them in turn. He impressed them by banishing snakes from Ireland, which was pretty sneaky since there had never been any there in the first place. He was certainly not born in Ireland, but I thought he came from the Northwest of England. Perhaps that region was part of Wales back then? .
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08-03-2009 06:12
/me wonders why anyone wants to claim such an abhorrent dish, anyway. ;p
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08-03-2009 06:16
From: Seven Okelli He was certainly not born in Ireland, but I thought he came from the Northwest of England.
Perhaps that region was part of Wales back then?
. All of the mainland was. Pep (Until the invaders came; we are still waiting for them to clear off again.)
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08-03-2009 06:21
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08-03-2009 06:27
From: Melita Magic /me wonders why anyone wants to claim such an abhorrent dish, anyway. ;p That's why we gave it to the Scots.
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08-03-2009 06:29
Lol.
I did see a can of 'vegetarian haggis' once, however. Which would probably offend both vegetarians AND haggis aficionados.
(Kind of like tofu veal steak?)
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08-03-2009 07:01
I have long wanted to go to a proper Burns Night with all the trimmings, including haggis. Maybe in SL? .
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08-03-2009 07:02
From: Melita Magic Spaghetti reportedly originated in China. It hasn't hurt Italian food's reputation any. I don't think it will for one moment harm the Scots claim on it as its always been a traditional Scottish dish and steeped in Scottish history rather than English, I saw the report as another piece of friendly rivalry between England and Scotland and it made me @ Brianna Its really nice laced with the good old English traditional and iconic HP sauce http://www.icons.org.uk/nom/nominations/hp-sauce
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08-03-2009 07:04
From: Lord Sullivan I don't think it will for one moment harm the Scots claim on it as its always been a traditional Scottish dish and steeped in Scottish history rather than English This sounds sensible, I agree with it. |
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08-03-2009 07:10
From: Melita Magic Lol.
I did see a can of 'vegetarian haggis' once, however. Which would probably offend both vegetarians AND haggis aficionados.
(Kind of like tofu veal steak?) Not all vegetarians/vegans (like me) are offended by meat products. I find haggis equally as gross as menudo, tripe, chitterlings, or Kimchi (non meat product). And not all vegetarians/vegans are offended by baby cows (veal) being slaughtered for food. I will however not buy veal out of principle, but not because i am some emo Peta Vegan freak who thinks cow and chickens want to be our friends. |
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08-03-2009 07:14
I don't think of vegetarians or vegans as all being the same, or all being emo. I've lived as both and had friends who were either/or/both. Part of the culture I grew up in. Some like meat 'analogs' and some don't.
But I think a lot of people do find haggis unappealing, and a lot of people would laugh at the absurdity of trying to replicate a purely meat based dish with vegetables.
Then again some people love tofurkey!
To each their own - this was not a judgment call or blanket statement.
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08-03-2009 07:28
From: Melita Magic Spaghetti reportedly originated in China. From: Lord Sullivan I don't think it will for one moment harm the Scots claim on it as its always been a traditional Scottish dish....... Now I *AM* confused. |
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08-03-2009 07:29
1. analogy
2. haggis
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08-03-2009 07:32
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08-03-2009 07:34
Spaghetti was originally intended to be a vegetarian haggis, created by the monks of To-Fu after they were exiled from Nepal to Scotland.
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08-03-2009 07:36
From: PeterPan Price 3. Sarcasm 4. No just a misfired joke. Now I know you're not Pep. From: Argent Stonecutter Spaghetti was originally intended to be a vegetarian haggis, created by the monks of To-Fu after they were exiled from Nepal to Scotland. Now THAT is funny. |
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08-03-2009 07:42
From: Melita Magic 4. No just a misfired joke. Now I know you're not Pep. Was there ever any doubt? Pep (Vegetarianism, like socialism, is a suicidal philosophy.)
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From: Pserendipity Daniels Was there ever any doubt? No. |
