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Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

Gabriele Graves
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09-07-2008 15:35
From: Rene Erlanger
for someone that preaches ethics, morality, blah blah blah

yet is an active member of this website
http://rh.greydawn.net/browse.php?c=Mortvent%20Charron

and why I cannot take you seriously when youself describes your character as

Character Notes:
Mainly a Husky avatar, sometimes a horse, fox, or bunny Tends towards a balanced relationship with a slight dominant personality, but is also a switch( makes a good pet at times) Will not wear a leash or collar again as a kept pet, maybe for friends on special occasions... and will not keep a pet

* Male Husky
* Occupation: Builder and explorer
* Bi, Female Preference, Switch, often dom


rofl.......Yes.. please give me the candy........i need it to stop myself from cracking up!
If you cannot accept people as they want to be accepted then you have no place engaging them in discussion. Do you think anyone here is taking you seriously? That is not because of what you want to be in world, but because of your disgusting behaviour here.
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Colette Meiji
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09-07-2008 15:36
From: Alicia Sautereau
SL isn`t google so google`s rules don`t apply here untill LL classifies it as abuse, same as traffic bots

same as US laws don`t apply in africa even if we have the them in europe aswell
your beating on a dead horse


But Phil claims to be an expert on internet search engines ..

And the new search .. is from google .. at least in part.

And he uses an exploit Kitty explained to gain relevance on it. Or at least used to - described it in a forums post even.
MortVent Charron
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09-07-2008 15:36
From: Rene Erlanger
for someone that preaches ethics, morality, blah blah blah

yet is an active member of this website


and why I cannot take you seriously when youself describes your character as

Character Notes:
Mainly a Husky avatar, sometimes a horse, fox, or bunny Tends towards a balanced relationship with a slight dominant personality, but is also a switch( makes a good pet at times) Will not wear a leash or collar again as a kept pet, maybe for friends on special occasions... and will not keep a pet

* Male Husky
* Occupation: Builder and explorer
* Bi, Female Preference, Switch, often dom


rofl.......Yes.. please give me the candy........i need it to stop myself from cracking up!


Bite me.....it's one of your favoruite activities i see :)


tsk tsk poor troll. I've had PN do better than that.

You really need to go back to troll school.
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Gabriele Graves
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09-07-2008 15:38
From: Alicia Sautereau
SL isn`t google so google`s rules don`t apply here untill LL classifies it as abuse, same as traffic bots

same as US laws don`t apply in africa even if we have the them in europe aswell
your beating on a dead horse
However there have been some arguments from the pro-botting side that compares SL to google to prove their points. I think the comparison though in this context is that a major search engine company does not sanction bots usage and so a virtual world that is aspiring to become the 3D internet should adopt the same stance. Quite a valid comparison I think at least.
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Alicia Sautereau
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09-07-2008 15:42
From: Colette Meiji
But Phil claims to be an expert on internet search engines ..

And the new search .. is from google .. at least in part.

And he uses an exploit Kitty explained to gain relevance on it. Or at least used to - described it in a forums post even.

file an AR then and get LL to change the frecking TOS aswell as traffic bots

your all hyping "this is wrong, that is wrong, so is wrong", yet instead of taking it to LL, you just whine on the forums to a guy who doesn`t give a crap as he operates within the rules that LL set
Colette Meiji
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09-07-2008 15:45
From: Alicia Sautereau
file an AR then and get LL to change the frecking TOS aswell as traffic bots

your all hyping "this is wrong, that is wrong, so is wrong", yet instead of taking it to LL, you just whine on the forums to a guy who doesn`t give a crap as he operates within the rules that LL set


No I am not saying that.

I am merely explaining why that thread tangent goes on in these discussions.

If you page back far enough you will see Phil making such comparisons.

Its a Kitty/Sling/Phil discussion mostly
Sling Trebuchet
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09-07-2008 15:46
From: Alicia Sautereau
SL isn`t google so google`s rules don`t apply here untill LL classifies it as abuse, same as traffic bots

same as US laws don`t apply in africa even if we have the them in europe aswell
your beating on a dead horse



Beating on a dead horse..... well, that's kinda there :)

BUT

During a discussion of search engine spamming in general, Phil made two statements.
1. That 'everyone' knows that the search engines say it's not ok to spam them
2. That it is ok to spam search engines.

This is outside of the SL issue.
Phil made his extraordinary statements in the context of search engines in general.

He has yet to reconcile his statements.
As usual, he tries to evade the questions when the weakness of his case is exposed.
He blusters, obfuscates, plays with words.
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Gabriele Graves
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09-07-2008 15:49
From: Alicia Sautereau
file an AR then and get LL to change the frecking TOS aswell as traffic bots

your all hyping "this is wrong, that is wrong, so is wrong", yet instead of taking it to LL, you just whine on the forums to a guy who doesn`t give a crap as he operates within the rules that LL set
I have to ask though I mean no offence, if you don't like this thread then why stay? Nobody forces you to and it seems you are getting angry at the general part of the discussion instead of just the other insanity.
Again I mean no offence I am just pointing that out.
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Phil Deakins
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09-07-2008 15:52
From: Colette
But Phil claims to be an expert on internet search engines ..
Yes I am. And as Alicia said, the SL search isn't an internet search engine.

From: Colette
And the new search .. is from google .. at least in part.
And your point is?

From: Colette
And he uses an exploit Kitty explained to gain relevance on it. Or at least used to - described it in a forums post even.
I told Kitty the details of that and, from what we've seen and heard in the last day or two, it looks like it may be acceptable to LL. They could have killed it very very easily, but it looks like they are allowing it.
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Phil Deakins
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09-07-2008 15:55
From: Sling Trebuchet
During a discussion of search engine spamming in general, Phil made two statements.
1. That 'everyone' knows that the search engines say it's not ok to spam them
2. That it is ok to spam search engines.

This is outside of the SL issue.
Phil made his extraordinary statements in the context of search engines in general.
It's only extraordinary to you because you are not inclined to understand it, in spite of it being explained to you in great detail.
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Colette Meiji
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09-07-2008 15:55
From: Phil Deakins
Yes I am. And as Alicia said, the SL search isn't an internet search engine.

And your point is?

I told Kitty the details of that and, from what we've seen and heard in the last day or two, it looks like it may be acceptable to LL. They could have killed it very very easily, but it looks like they are allowing it.


As I already said I was explaining why the conversations take place .. I wasn't arguing the points in detail.

Learn to ignore me better, or unmute me.

You responding every time I am quoted without knowing the context is simply childish.
Rene Erlanger
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09-07-2008 15:58
From: Gabriele Graves
I am perfectly capable of discussion. It is you who seem to be unable to abandon your trolling ways.

I brought up a grid wide police force as an addition to the discussion that I thought you might be serious about having.

The reason I brought it up is because of the recent things that LL have already chosen to ban will need policing and they already claim to have too few numbers to acheive this. Ergo they might be recruiting a security force or considering it. It is not too much of a stretch to understand, unless you don't want to of course.

Of course rather than understand my posts you are another one who would rather get personal.

Go away troll.



People would not pay 295 USD monthly tier for their own SIM to have their privacy invaded by an external security force, they would object that much is clear. It would be the death of SL.....many people & SIM owners would simply move to other emerging VW platforms where they're granted their freedoms & privacy.

This whole thread is defunct anyhow and was never worth its 900 posts. The only long term solution is for LL is to do away with Traffic.....even Phil says it.

If traffic bots were banned tomorrow, by Tuesday/ Wednesday you'd have your first
live mass camping spots back up. LL would not stop anybody having 50/60 camping pads on their own sim....thats reality.....or use a similar system where you log onto central camping station and you get paid to roam the plot of land or SIM. It doesn't even look like camping as some AV's are always milling around. When you leave the area...you get paid just like a camper does when they jump off the pad.


As for you continued remarks regarding being a "Troll"......that surely a better status than someone who is prepared to use other people's dead parents to further their arguments. There are no words for that sort of gutter behaviourial pattern......and looks far worst than any troll could ever be.
Alicia Sautereau
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09-07-2008 16:00
quick reply befor food and that this thread can burn for all i care

Colette:
as there is no linden here
anything said here is pretty hopeless as every bot/issue thread turned out to be in the past

Sling:
we all know where phil stands so why ask?

Gabriele:
good question, started to wonder why myself...
Rene Erlanger
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09-07-2008 16:06
From: Gabriele Graves
If you cannot accept people as they want to be accepted then you have no place engaging them in discussion. Do you think anyone here is taking you seriously? That is not because of what you want to be in world, but because of your disgusting behaviour here.


Not disgusting...what was disgusting is when you reached the pits of bringing in dead parents into a discussion.....now that was disgusting.....the absolute pits in fact!

Pot calling kettle black-rofl
Sling Trebuchet
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09-07-2008 16:07
From: Phil Deakins
It's only extraordinary to you because you are not inclined to understand it, in spite of it being explained to you in great detail.


Perhaps I am not the only one to bemused by your "great detail".

If a search engine says that it is not ok to spam it, why do you say that it is ok to spam it?


If you carry your principles into a future SL where SL have said that it is not ok to game the search engine, you will be saying that it is ok to game the search engine.



Spare us the post where you play with the phrases "game the search engine" and "spam the search engine" in order to try and evade the simple truth. 'Everybody' knows that they are the same process.
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Colette Meiji
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09-07-2008 16:09
From: Sling Trebuchet
Perhaps I am not the only one to bemused by your "great detail".


I for one, do not consider Phil's SPIN to be relevant detail at all.
Sling Trebuchet
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09-07-2008 16:12
From: Alicia Sautereau
.......

Sling:
we all know where phil stands so why ask?
......


Based on the posts to date here and in other threads, I doubt that we *all* know where Phil stands. If we do know, then we don't all know the same thing apparently.


Why do I comment on Phil's posts when he comes on trying to justify his activity?


Problem: Pea-brained dinosaur. Crapping in front of my eyes.
Solution/Pastime: Pointy stick. Poke, poke, poke
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Rene Erlanger
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09-07-2008 16:13
From: MortVent Charron
tsk tsk poor troll. I've had PN do better than that.

You really need to go back to troll school.



Ooh that hurt....but then again i noticed you like scratching! rofl

Spank me! (that's one of your likes too isn't it?)
Alicia Sautereau
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09-07-2008 16:17
From: Sling Trebuchet
Solution/Pastime: Pointy stick. Poke, poke, poke

ok, that made me laugh :p

you all have fun where ever this thread goes from here as i don`t want to end in the middle and have enough work to do for a year
Awnee Dawner
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09-07-2008 16:22
hey!
From: Rene Erlanger
People would not pay 295 USD monthly tier for their own SIM to have their privacy invaded by an external security force, they would object that much is clear. It would be the death of SL.....many people & SIM owners would simply move to other emerging VW platforms where they're granted their freedoms & privacy.

+ vat for european residents however im running a combatsim so maybe a taskforce would be cool to defend? -> capture the camppad :D
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Rene Erlanger
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09-07-2008 16:26
From: Awnee Dawner
hey!

+ vat for european residents however im running a combatsim so maybe a taskforce would be cool to defend? :D


Yes it would.....disable other scripts in About Land, so this World Police Group could not use their weaponry....after that you can pick them off like sitting ducks....and when you finish playing with them.....you can ban them off your sim for good measure. :)

VAT hurts :(
Gabriele Graves
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09-07-2008 16:27
From: Rene Erlanger
People would not pay 295 USD monthly tier for their own SIM to have their privacy invaded by an external security force, they would object that much is clear. It would be the death of SL.....many people & SIM owners would simply move to other emerging VW platforms where they're granted their freedoms & privacy.

This whole thread is defunct anyhow and was never worth its 900 posts. The only long term solution is for LL is to do away with Traffic.....even Phil says it.

If traffic bots were banned tomorrow, by Tuesday/ Wednesday you'd have your first
live mass camping spots back up. LL would not stop anybody having 50/60 camping pads on their own sim....thats reality.....or use a similar system where you log onto central camping station and you get paid to roam the plot of land or SIM. It doesn't even look like camping as some AV's are always milling around. When you leave the area...you get paid just like a camper does when they jump off the pad.


As for you continued remarks regarding being a "Troll"......that surely a better status than someone who is prepared to use other people's dead parents to further their arguments. There are no words for that sort of gutter behaviourial pattern......and looks far worst than any troll could ever be.
*sighs* Most of LL initiatives like zoning and ad farm banning are aimed at mainland. I was talking about mainland being policed which is the main place needed. Let the island owners police their own places to a degree. Nobody suggested sending in a police force to estates though if you think you are above LL's ban hammer there just try to operate a casino some time - you will see how much you are at the mercy of LL's enforcement regardless of how much you pay.
It is funny how you only find the things from people on one side of the fence objectionable, not the other when both sides have admitted objectionable behaviour. You also have no right to judge anyone as you have no moral high ground after you own exhibited behaviour. Especially as it was unnecessary. People who you are now denegrating offered you respect until you spat at it and started your trollish ways.
Take the plank out of your own eye before worrying about the splinter in the eyes of others.
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Gabriele Graves
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09-07-2008 16:33
From: Rene Erlanger
Not disgusting...what was disgusting is when you reached the pits of bringing in dead parents into a discussion.....now that was disgusting.....the absolute pits in fact!

Pot calling kettle black-rofl
I brought nothing of the sort into the conversation, you cannot even seem to read. Phil mentioned his own mother and I had no idea she was no longer living (sorry Phil, Rene seems determined to stir things up. I am trying to be respectful about it).

Rene, I suggest you go back and read what was actually written instead of just causing trouble for no good reason.

You take great delight in putting yourself between others and making judgements. Your denegration of Mort solely based on his profile and how he wishes to be perceived is very disgusting.
You have no useful points to make nor interesting things to say - only nastiness - go away troll.
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MortVent Charron
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09-07-2008 16:44
Gabriele if the wannabe PN troll wants to keep violating the CS and ToS hand him more candy and let him go wild.

Like I said I've had far better harassment from kiddies.

His behavior even leans towards underage as well.

He's a drama fanatic that makes many of the furry community look like anti-drama types...
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Phil Deakins
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09-07-2008 16:45
From: Sling Trebuchet
Spare us the post where you play with the phrases "game the search engine" and "spam the search engine" in order to try and evade the simple truth. 'Everybody' knows that they are the same process.
Ok, I will :)

I'm sorry, Sling, but I just don't see any point in going on about web search engines, and my view of webmaster dealings with them. If you don't understand what I said, it's ok.
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