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04-28-2009 06:23
From: Clarissa Lowell I asked a Linden this directly at his open office hour a few weeks or so, ago.
He said that while he thought it was a great idea to bring teens into regular Second Life, there were no plans currently in the works to do so. He emphasized this quite strongly. Did he say WHY he thought it was a great idea? Was he high? .
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04-28-2009 06:25
From: sable Valentine I met a newbie last month and he was very polite, nice fellow. I figured he was young because he was addressing me as Ma'am. Very, very respectful. Well he admitted to me that he was 14 years old. I immediately got worried about him, natural tendency was to try to shield him from the baddies of the sl world. Much like rl. Because of my reaction to his admittance, I have mixed emotions on the merger.  How irresponsible of him . . . Pep ( . . . and of you!) PS he was obviously either: a) illiterate - couldn't read the ToS; b) lazy - couldn't be bothered to read the ToS; or c) criminal - didn't mind breaking the ToS.
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04-28-2009 06:29
From: sable Valentine I met a newbie last month and he was very polite, nice fellow. I figured he was young because he was addressing me as Ma'am. Very, very respectful. Well he admitted to me that he was 14 years old. I immediately got worried about him, natural tendency was to try to shield him from the baddies of the sl world. Much like rl. Because of my reaction to his admittance, I have mixed emotions on the merger. I would have politely told him that the main grid was not the place for him, directed him to the Teen Grid and sent an AR. Harsh maybe, but that would have been the best way to shield him from any SL baddies.
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04-28-2009 06:32
From: Pserendipity Daniels How irresponsible of him . . .
Pep ( . . . and of you!)
PS he was obviously either:
a) illiterate - couldn't read the ToS;
b) lazy - couldn't be bothered to read the ToS; or
c) criminal - didn't mind breaking the ToS. Did you obey all the rules that adults laid down for you when you were 14? -- Aes |
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04-28-2009 06:37
From: Aeslyn Dae Did you obey all the rules that adults laid down for you when you were 14?
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Aes Of course?  Didn't you?  Pep (I must have, because I was never caught and punished for breaking them.  ) PS I am an existentialist.
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04-28-2009 06:38
From: Brenda Connolly I would have politely told him that the main grid was not the place for him, directed him to the Teen Grid and sent an AR. Harsh maybe, but that would have been the best way to shield him from any SL baddies. Thank you Brenda for the advice. I was really surprised at his admission. I haven't seen him in awhile so someone may have taken your recommended course of action. |
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04-28-2009 07:12
From: Pserendipity Daniels Of course? Didn't you? How would I know? I can't remember that far back. From: Pserendipity Daniels (I must have, because I was never caught and punished for breaking them. ) There's your problem then, right there. From: Pserendipity Daniels PS I am an existentialist. Pah. That's just a fancier way of saying 'doesn't give a ToS'. -- Aes |
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04-28-2009 07:21
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04-28-2009 07:21
From: sable Valentine Thank you Brenda for the advice. I was really surprised at his admission. I haven't seen him in awhile so someone may have taken your recommended course of action. That's what the Open Gates mentors do. They meet 13, 14, even 12 year olds all the time, as they meet the newbies coming in. The kids just tell them, don't even have to pry it out of them. Immediate AR..... |
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04-28-2009 07:23
From: Rime Wirsing Question: How are teen residents supposed to transition from the teen grid to the adult grid?
On their 18th birthday are they simply denied access to the teen grid and all their friends? Are they expected to simply log in to the adult grid and start over? Do they get dumped into the sometimes less than welcome welcome areas and be expected to make it on their own as adults?
How about teens in their last year as teens have the ability to visit the main grid? They would not be allowed to purchase or rent property or access age restricted parcels but they would be able to explore. There are many wonderful builds on the main grid, many learning resources.
By being able to legitimately access the main grid as they approach adult status they would not need to resort to illegal ways to do so. People are curious, youngsters even more so. They are going to want to see what the future holds for them so why not let them do so in a controlled and safe manner?
Todays teen is tomorrows adult.
Rime See my earlier post. We see 12 year olds way more often than 17 year olds, lying their way through the sign on process. |
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04-28-2009 07:24
From: Aeslyn Dae How would I know? I can't remember that far back. Ah, I have not succumbed to Alzheimer's yet, myself. From: Aeslyn Dae There's your problem then, right there. Problem? What problem? From: Aeslyn Dae Pah. That's just a fancier way of saying 'doesn't give a ToS'. "If it didn't happen to me it didn't happen". Pep (Alzheimer's? Perhaps it's setting in: I forgot to point out that it's "contemptuous" not "comtemptuous" yesterday.)
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04-28-2009 07:25
From: Rime Wirsing Todays teen is tomorrows adult. Today's babe is yesterday's jailbait. Pep (Is that what you really meant to say?)
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04-28-2009 07:28
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04-28-2009 07:35
From: Rime Wirsing Question: How are teen residents supposed to transition from the teen grid to the adult grid?
On their 18th birthday are they simply denied access to the teen grid and all their friends? Are they expected to simply log in to the adult grid and start over? Do they get dumped into the sometimes less than welcome welcome areas and be expected to make it on their own as adults?
Certainly, at one point there was a "transfer centre" where they have a regular party for all of the Teens who've had their birthday that year and switched grids. On the topic, I personally believe they're going to do it by stealth - possibly by allowing regions with the new, superclean PG rating, to be mirrored onto the Teen Grid. |
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04-28-2009 07:35
From: sable Valentine Thank you Brenda for the advice. I was really surprised at his admission. I haven't seen him in awhile so someone may have taken your recommended course of action. I hope that didn't come off as judgemental toward you, that wasn't the intent. If it did, I'm sorry. 
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04-28-2009 07:36
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04-28-2009 07:39
From: Rime Wirsing Question: How are teen residents supposed to transition from the teen grid to the adult grid?
On their 18th birthday are they simply denied access to the teen grid and all their friends? Are they expected to simply log in to the adult grid and start over? Do they get dumped into the sometimes less than welcome welcome areas and be expected to make it on their own as adults?
How about teens in their last year as teens have the ability to visit the main grid? They would not be allowed to purchase or rent property or access age restricted parcels but they would be able to explore. There are many wonderful builds on the main grid, many learning resources.
By being able to legitimately access the main grid as they approach adult status they would not need to resort to illegal ways to do so. People are curious, youngsters even more so. They are going to want to see what the future holds for them so why not let them do so in a controlled and safe manner?
Todays teen is tomorrows adult.
Rime No. The Main grid is 18+. *At least in theory. They should enter the Adult grid exactly as is now. When they reach 18, they leave the teen grid and enter the main grid. The first lesson of growing up. There are rules, and you don't always get things your way. There are enough adults who don't recognize that as it is, we don't need any more.
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-28-2009 07:39
Mr Philip Linden has always said that he would like everyone including children and teenagers on the Grid just like they are on the Web. Is going to happen and is no doubt about that. The continent model looks like its going to be the way the Grid goes. This is not perfect in every way, but then neither is the Web.
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04-28-2009 07:44
From: Brenda Connolly I hope that didn't come off as judgemental toward you, that wasn't the intent. If it did, I'm sorry. No I didn't take it that way at all.  The self anointed forum critic took care of that |
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04-28-2009 07:45
From: Rime Wirsing Good grief!
Do we suddenly become adult at a certain age? On a specific day? No.
Rime Yes. The instant you turn 18, which is enough, legally, for me to know I am not interacting with a minor. The rest is vague and ambiguous. People mature at different rates. Some 40 year olds are not 'adults' yet, but I don't have to worry about whether I am interacting inappropriately with a legal minor, either. What happens, when a 17 year old, 'transitioning' gets caught by his mother in a compromising position with an adult on the sexgen bed in SL? When mom walks in and sees her precious baby's avatar doing something 'disgusting'? Will the kid legally get in trouble? NO. Mommy (being filled with self righteous anger at the molestation of her dear one) will be calling LL AND the RL police to report the sex crime. 17 year old says.....oops sorry......and walks off while adult participant rots in jail. No thanks! |
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04-28-2009 07:45
From: Rime Wirsing Good grief!
Do we suddenly become adult at a certain age? On a specific day? No. We attain adulthood through physical and and emotional development over a long period of time.
The point of my entire post was that in Second Life as in real life there should be some kind of transitional period. Currently in Second Life 'Todays teen is tomorrows adult'.
Rime Unfortunately for your argument the law does not make exceptions for "almost 18" when it comes to defining a minor. Pep (If it did then perhaps LL might institute a test to check whether participants are sufficiently "physically and emotionally developed" as well - or would that exclude most of the current SL population?)
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04-28-2009 08:03
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04-28-2009 08:09
From: Rime Wirsing
However, I still contend that in real life you are not suddenly yanked out of one existence and placed into another and it should not be so in Second Life.
Wrong. Raise some kids and you can see where the yanking takes place. Most notably the part where you are tried as an ADULT for crimes. Yes you are suddenly yanked. 1 day you are not an adult, the next you are. 1 day you have a home, the next (with many kids turned 1  you don't. 1 day you can have sex with your 17 year old boy friend, and the next day he is now 18 and it is statutory rape...That's a yank if i ever seen one. There is no transition except when you turn 12 and 99% of places stop treating you like a child and giving you free stuff at the restaurant, amusement park, etc.. |
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04-28-2009 08:12
From: Rime Wirsing Treasure, Pep et al
I understand - 'Legally' you turn into an adult n number of days after your birth.
However, I still contend that in real life you are not suddenly yanked out of one existence and placed into another and it should not be so in Second Life.
Growing up is a process with a certain amount of continuity within an ever evolving environmental and social framework.
It is my understanding that there is no way in Second Life to turn off your avatar name float text. You can choose not to see them in the viewer but they are always available. Perhaps this float text could include a marker for age status? Color perhaps? Then, a quick check of an avatars name tag would alert you to their 'supposed' age status.
I know RL to SL comparisons are contentious but how effective are age restrictions in real life? Do minors obtain cigarettes, alcohol, pornography? Do they use firearms, drive vehicles? It seems to me that with an effective age verification process age restrictions in SL have a better chance at being enforced.
Rime SL isn't RL. It is not necessary for us to be able to use it. There are conditions and restrictions on who can use it. I agree with them and as long as they are still there, I think they should be followed. I joined SL because it is supposed to be an Adult only environment. If it were a mixed world I would have not joined. And sometimes teens are just thrust into the adult world. Just ask anyone who has joined the Military.
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04-28-2009 08:14
From: Brenda Connolly
And sometimes teens are just thrust into the adult world. Just ask anyone who has joined the Military.
Yet, another YANK into adult hood. Especially if your parents enlist you when you are 17 (and yes that happens - the military does allow parents to enlist their kids at 17 and ship them off). |
