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2k Suisei
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08-30-2008 03:07
From: Ilianexsi Sojourner
There are ways to handle this sort of thing, and ways not to handle it. One musician I'm a fan of takes the time to answer every email and MySpace comment he gets... that doesn't mean he gets into long conversations or answers intrusive personal questions. His replies can take a day or so, but they're always polite, often humorous, and always express his appreciation for his fans. It's a simple way to make the fans happy and help them feel more of a connection to him... which keeps them coming back.

In the same way, I appreciate content creators in SL who take the time to politely answer messages, even if it isn't right away. It makes me think they care about their customers' opinions, and it makes me more likely to come back again. I'm perfectly fine with it if they prefer notecards, or want to keep customer contact to certain hours, or state that they may not be able to reply right away. The 'don't IM me for any reason' ones just make me think the person doesn't give a damn about the people they're supposedly creating things for.


I suspect your musician friend would be less sociable if people could send messages directly into his brain while he was going about his daily business.

Some people just want to make stuff. They don't want to build a relationship with fans or to be seen as a charity case.

I suppose this is a problem with art related stuff. It makes people emo and compelled to contact the artist. I'm pretty sure Bill Gates doesn't get fans wanting to get into his brain.

"Bill, your operating system really moved me. What was your motivation behind it?."

But you're right, a "Don't message me!" does seem a little cold. But if you have a presence in Second Life and you're not wanting to be bothered by anonymous internet people then there isn't really any other option but to tell people not to message you.

Either that or just don't bother logging in. ;)
Kelli May
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08-30-2008 03:17
From: 2k Suisei
I suspect your musician friend would be less sociable if people could send messages directly into his brain while he was going about his daily business.

Some people just want to make stuff. They don't want to build a relationship with fans or to be seen as a charity case.

I suppose this is a problem with art related stuff. It makes people emo and compelled to contact the artist. I'm pretty sure Bill Gates doesn't get fans wanting to get into his brain.

"Bill, your operating system really moved me. What was your motivation behind it?."

But you're right, a "Don't message me!" does seem a little cold. But if you have a presence in Second Life and you're not wanting to be bothered by anonymous internet people then there isn't really any other option but to tell people not to message you.

Either that or just don't bother logging in. ;)

Maybe the compromise is to request no IMs and encourage notecards instead? A notecard is the email/snailmail to the IM's phonecall, and doesn't have the pressure of needing an instant reply.

Looking for a technical solution, how about a variation of the busy mode where only IMs from friends come through (even better, only IMs from a checklist of friends)? Actually, this is already possible using the Restrained Life viewer, and maybe others I'm not aware of.

I might just script a HUD to create a selective busy mode... any takers?
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08-30-2008 03:38
From: Kelli May
I might just script a HUD to create a selective busy mode... any takers?
Definitely ;)
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2k Suisei
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08-30-2008 03:44
From: Kelli May


I might just script a HUD to create a selective busy mode... any takers?


How would that work?.
Kelli May
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08-30-2008 04:07
You'd need to be using the Restrained Life viewer. There are commands in the RLV API that allow complete or selective blocking of IMs to simulate restraint, captivity or isolation (usually for BDSM purposes).
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2k Suisei
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08-30-2008 04:26
Ah, that makes sense.

I just fear being whipped when using that client.
Kelli May
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08-30-2008 05:32
From: 2k Suisei
Ah, that makes sense.

I just fear being whipped when using that client.


You can be totally sure I wouldn't even think about adding extra code to such a HUD if I build it. For example, code to allow me to force TP any wearer to my side and strip them naked. Nope, won't be adding any of that stuff.. honest... you can count on it *whistles innocently*
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Kitty Barnett
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08-30-2008 06:14
From: Kelli May
I might just script a HUD to create a selective busy mode... any takers?
That would be rather clumsy though (neither the regular viewer or the RR viewer provide any means of accessing the friends list) and quite a lot of work compared to simply making a minor adjustment to the viewer.

The RL viewer patch already has the basics for dismissing IMs based on a condition, you just need to change it a bit.

* Let IMs through if they're on the friends list
LLAvatarTrack::instance()->getBuddyInfo(...) will return a LLRelationship* if they're on the friends list and NULL if they're not

Additionally you can check for isRightGrantedTo(GRANT_ONLINE_STATUS) on the relationship to determine whether that person can see you online (subverting the "show online" to include "can IM me";)

* Let IMs through if there's already an open session for that avie (lets you talk to people not on your friends list as long as you open a session for them first)
gIMMgr->hasSession(...)

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The problem in any case is that people have the expectation that IMs will be seen by the recipient even if they're set busy and RR or your suggestion breaks that expectation which will lead to problems of its own.

An additional problem with using the RR viewer is that IMs sent through email are lost because it doesn't bother to save the messsage and since that person isn't online there's no chance to go back and ask them "what was in that IM you just sent me?", nor would the sender know that the IM wasn't received because they're not online to get a response.

(And probably the most annoying downside is that Marine can't be bothered to update the RR viewer for RCs so you'll be stuck on the latest release whereas a small alteration can easily be reapplied for every RC)
Kelli May
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08-30-2008 06:34
Sounds like you're far more knowledgeable on the workings of RLV than I am Kitty, and about viewer architecture in general. That's a lot of stuff I didn't even consider.
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Kitty Barnett
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08-30-2008 06:48
From: Kelli May
Sounds like you're far more knowledgeable on the workings of RLV than I am Kitty, and about viewer architecture in general. That's a lot of stuff I didn't even consider.
I'm not, really, I just peeked at the code because I thought it would be easier to adjust the viewer than make it work with a HUD and I wanted to make sure it actually was :).

The HUD would work but I can't really think of an easy way to get a contact list of people on there that wouldn't be clumsy to maintain (setting it up initially would be easy, but remembering to add new people after that could become tedious) :(.

A (scriptable) viewer plug-in structure would do more for SL than any open grid nonsense in my opinion :p. It's sad that SL lacks features that most chat proggies have had for over a decade :(.
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08-30-2008 06:57
peeked at the code my ass.

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08-30-2008 07:46
From: Oryx Tempel
Ha! Mine says "Take it up with Trout. He'll probably pass it off to Madhu or Lindal, in which case, you're probably SOL because they have way more important stuff to do."

Edit: Now it says "Take it up with Trout. He'll probably pass it off to Madhu or Lindal, in which case, you're probably SOL because they have way more important stuff to do, and will probably pass it on to Max. You're pretty low on the food chain here, buddy."


This is what it's like to deal with customer service at the cable company. I just had to make some changes to my service yesterday. 1/2 hour after making the call and talking to 6 different people, I'm quite sure I got the same person I started with who finally made that change.
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08-30-2008 09:44
We could all add "contact Trout Recreant" on our profiles * evil grin*.

If only there was an "out of office" message to answer IMs.
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08-30-2008 10:44
From: 2k Suisei
I suspect your musician friend would be less sociable if people could send messages directly into his brain while he was going about his daily business.

Some people just want to make stuff. They don't want to build a relationship with fans or to be seen as a charity case.

I suppose this is a problem with art related stuff. It makes people emo and compelled to contact the artist. I'm pretty sure Bill Gates doesn't get fans wanting to get into his brain.

"Bill, your operating system really moved me. What was your motivation behind it?."


SL and Microsoft are two distinctly different entities. The clod who pushes a few prims together and proclaims him or herself a "visionary builder" in an online game is a far cry from Bill Gates.

There are so many self-described "artists" here with a bloated sense of importance. Truly is there no other SL breed that's more throw-away.

If someone tries to show appreciation for the product you've made, be glad they've given any kind of a damn about you at all.
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08-30-2008 10:46
From: Victoria Forster
SL and Microsoft are two distinctly different entities. The clod who pushes a few prims together and proclaims him or herself a "visionary builder" in an online game is a far cry from Bill Gates.

There are so many self-described "artists" here with a bloated sense of importance. Truly is there no other SL breed that's more throw-away.

If someone tries to show appreciation for the product you've made, be glad they've given any kind of a damn about you at all.

Amen to that. :)
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2k Suisei
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08-30-2008 11:23
From: Victoria Forster


If someone tries to show appreciation for the product you've made, be glad they've given any kind of a damn about you at all.


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FD Spark
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08-30-2008 11:52
No one really cares about the stuff I am creating, most of is crap but I tend to isolate in world a whole lot like I do in various other worlds.
I seriously doubt majority care about majority of content creators in SL either way unless its something they want or they can profit from.
Yet if someone contacted me and liked something I made even if I was busy torturing something or someone I would be kind, appreciative and be polite enough to say thank you even if I felt grumpy for being distracted.
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Tarina Sewell
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08-30-2008 13:08
From: Holocluck Henly
Yeah I know: "I have a problem"

I wanted to IM someone who owns a chunk of the region in I'm interested in buying more Mainland in and ask about how it is there etc. But when I opened their profile to contact them...

... they had a totally nude shot with their "attachments" toward the camera.

That's a pretty strong message about whom they want to be contacted by. So I took a proverbial step back.

I then checked out the land I was interested in, thinking I'd contact them instead.

The owner selling had a pic that was just erotic (only in SL can someone say "just erotic";), but every line of her Interests and picks and every group she belonged to had to do with BDSM, Nekko, Sisters, Mistresses, etc etc.

I am totally intimidated. They both seem thoroughly consumed by their lifestyles than anyone I've interacted with before in SL. I don't want these folks to think I'm after them from seeing their profile. While this is THEIR lifestyle, I don't need it in my face just because I want to ask about the land and what the region is like to consider for settling.

sigh



If you are offended by their profile, dont buy there.... I dont see the problem.. and what is their name I wanna see
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08-30-2008 14:31
In RL, I have met many people living the BDSM lifestyle who are responsible adults, hold jobs, raise kids, who are friendly, kind, intelligent people. There really isn't anything to be afraid of.

If they are rude or don't respect your boundaries, that is another thing altogether.
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Trout Recreant
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08-30-2008 14:54
From: Deira Llanfair
We could all add "contact Trout Recreant" on our profiles * evil grin*.

If only there was an "out of office" message to answer IMs.


If you do, and someone contacts me to complain about you, I'll post chatlogs over at SLU where I can do it without getting banned.
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Holocluck Henly
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08-30-2008 17:19
From: Tarina Sewell
If you are offended by their profile, dont buy there.... I dont see the problem.. and what is their name I wanna see



LOL

Anyway: Is that what you read? That I was offended by their profile? I didn't write that at all.
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Derbor Torok
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08-30-2008 17:30
From: Oryx Tempel
LOL. Just IM them and say "what's this region like?" That doesn't sound like a sexual proposal to me.


Depends where you are pointing when you say that.. :)

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08-30-2008 17:35
From: Oryx Tempel
LOL. Just IM them and say "what's this region like?" That doesn't sound like a sexual proposal to me.



Thread over.
Susie Boffin
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08-30-2008 21:15
I have noticed that many people like to have an overpowering profile that they think shows how wonderful they are in Second Life. If they have a shop all they are doing is telling me to avoid it. :)
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08-31-2008 01:08
From: Colette Meiji
As opposed to intimidating other forums posters :p






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