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Phil Deakins
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11-05-2008 06:21
From: Chris Norse Nothing against Rha, but if you don't want something quoted, don't post it. Pretty simple. No one should expect special treatment of their posts for any reason. If it is posted, it is fair game for all comments and quotes. Usually, yes, but in this case it was something personal that Rha wanted to share with the people in that particular thread. She stated that she'll probably remove it later, and asked everyone not to quote it because of that. Some people responded to the post, without quoting any of it, but 3ring quoted it in full and, when it was pointed out, she just laughed. What you said is normal, but it doesn't mean that it has to be that way when specifically asked not to quote it, and especially when the reason is given. Everybody else was nice enough to go along with the request, and there's nothing wrong with going along with it. To be fair, since it was posted publically, it became public knowledge, and quoting it didn't change anything in that respect. It's the quoting of it when specifically asked not to that was bad and personal. And then just laughing when it was pointed out was rubbing salt into it.
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Briana Dawson
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11-05-2008 06:25
From: Chris Norse Nothing against Rha, but if you don't want something quoted, don't post it. Pretty simple. No one should expect special treatment of their posts for any reason. If it is posted, it is fair game for all comments and quotes. You are 100% right. But then again, no one has to be courteous, or kind, anything but a total snot to each other and that would be fair game too. But that is not too cool. Neither was quoting that post. It is all about decisions.
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Porky Gorky
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11-05-2008 06:45
From: Rhaorth Antonelli snip::.. so, what I typed and she quoted, I knew had the possibility of being quoted even though I asked people not to.. ..:  nip You've been around here long enough to know that if you post something that warrants commentary then people will comment. It's especially naive to do so in a forum occupied by people who have responded negatively to you in the past like 3 Ring (and probably me I assume as most people annoy me). You are giving us amunition. Simple answer, keep the personal stuff off of the forums if you are unhappy with it being used against you.
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11-05-2008 06:48
From: Porky Gorky You've been around here long enough to know that if you post something that warrants commentary then people will comment. It's especially naive to do so in a forum occupied by people who have responded negatively to you in the past like 3 Ring (and probably me I assume as most people annoy me). You are giving us amunition. Simple answer, keep the personal stuff off of the forums if you are unhappy with it being used against you. Psst.. Porky! Isn't there a log out feature on here?
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Porky Gorky
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11-05-2008 06:51
From: Phil Deakins Usually, yes, but in this case it was something personal that Rha wanted to share with the people in that particular thread. She stated that she'll probably remove it later, and asked everyone not to quote it because of that. Some people responded to the post, without quoting any of it, but 3ring quoted it in full and, when it was pointed out, she just laughed. Are you serious? If Rhaorth Antonelli wanted to share something only with a particular group of people from a particualr thread then she/he should do it in private. I think it's more plausable that she is a drama queen and is relishing all the attention given to her accross multiple threads.
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Porky Gorky
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11-05-2008 06:52
From: Taylor Lubezki Psst.. Porky! Isn't there a log out feature on here? I keep using it but for some reason I keep coming back. Yes you are right...that is annoying 
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Phil Deakins
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11-05-2008 06:53
From: Porky Gorky You've been around here long enough to know that if you post something that warrants commentary then people will comment. It's especially naive to do so in a forum occupied by people who have responded negatively to you in the past like 3 Ring (and probably me I assume as most people annoy me). You are giving us amunition. Simple answer, keep the personal stuff off of the forums if you are unhappy with it being used against you. The simpler answer still is not to take pops at people just for the fun of it. Perhaps you didn't see the post, but nobody used the personal stuff against Rha - not even 3ring - and the nature of it was such that nobody with any sort of averagely decent mind would have used it against her. In a community, which is what this forum is, there is nothing wrong with making a request like Rha did. It's not like it hurts anyone to go along with it, and, with the single exception of 3ring, those who responded did go along with it, because it was a good thing to do.
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Phil Deakins
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11-05-2008 06:58
From: Porky Gorky Are you serious? If Rhaorth Antonelli wanted to share something only with a particular group of people from a particualr thread then she/he should do it in private. I think it's more plausable that she is a drama queen and is relishing all the attention given to her accross multiple threads. Yes I am serious. I see nothing wrong or even odd about asking a community of people not to do something, when it doesn't affect any of the community in any way whatsoever. It may be naive to think that there aren't any predators about who will do it just because you asked them not to, especially if it hurts you, but that speaks much more about the predators than the one making the request.
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Briana Dawson
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11-05-2008 06:58
From: Phil Deakins because it was a good thing to do. Exactly.
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Porky Gorky
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11-05-2008 06:59
From: Phil Deakins The simpler answer still is not to take pops at people just for the fun of it.
Perhaps you didn't see the post, but nobody used the personal stuff against Rha - not even 3ring - and the nature of it was such that nobody with any sort of averagely decent mind would have used it against her. In a community, which is what this forum is, there is nothing wrong with making a request like Rha did. It's not like it hurts anyone to go along with it, and, with the single exception of 3ring, those who responded did go along with it, because it was a good thing to do. I saw the post and didnt feel the need to comment at the time. However, if Rhaorth Antonelli had said something negative about me the day before for example then i would have quoted it and taken the piss out of her/him as required. In the instance of yesterday's post I didn't feel it was required.
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Porky Gorky
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11-05-2008 07:03
From: Phil Deakins Yes I am serious. I see nothing wrong or even odd about asking a community of people not to do something, when it doesn't affect any of the community in any way whatsoever. It may be naive to think that there aren't any predators about who will do it just because you asked them not to, especially if it hurts you, but that speaks much more about the predators than the one making the request. You make it sound like you are all a bunch of innocent little kids sounded by predatorial bullies. We're adults. Grow up. I've read and enjoyed numourous threads involving you Phil. You get into lenghty disagreements and arguments with other forum members because you think they are wrong, or dont agree with their opinion. So If i am a predator then so are you. And it makes for entertaining reading, so keep up the good work.
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Phil Deakins
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11-05-2008 07:10
From: Porky Gorky I saw the post and didnt feel the need to comment at the time. However, if Rhaorth Antonelli had said something negative about me the day before for example then i would have quoted it and taken the piss out of her/him as required. In the instance of yesterday's post I didn't feel it was required. I've no idea if Rha said something negative about 3ring the day before or not but, in view of the content of that particular post, don't you think that deciding not to take the piss out of her would have been the best thing in the circumstances?
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11-05-2008 07:16
From: Phil Deakins I've no idea if Rha said something negative about 3ring the day before or not but, in view of the content of that particular post, don't you think that deciding not to take the piss out of her would have been the best thing in the circumstances? The best thing would have been for it not to have been posted in public in the first place. This habit some people have of going back and deleting posts is entirely out of hand. Rha is not the only one doing it. If you don't want it saved for all to see, then don't post it. Posting then saying "Here are the rules for reading my post." is a crock, it makes no difference what the content is.
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Phil Deakins
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11-05-2008 07:22
From: Porky Gorky You make it sound like you are all a bunch of innocent little kids sounded by predatorial bullies. We're adults. Grow up. I've read and enjoyed numourous threads involving you Phil. You get into lenghty disagreements and arguments with other forum members because you think they are wrong, or dont agree with their opinion. So If i am a predator then so are you. And it makes for entertaining reading, so keep up the good work. It doesn't take very long for me running traffic bots to make an appearance does it  Yes, I do get involved in stuff (bots stuff), and it occasionally follows me into totally unrelated threads, but I don't do anything like 3ring did in the other thread and in this one. The very nature of Rha's post in the other thread would have stopped me from doing anything like 3ring did, even in the most heated of discussions. There was a time, a long time ago, when I carried the feelings from one thread into two others, and I later apologised for doing it. It would be nice if 3ring would remove the quote, and the paragraph from this thread, and perhaps privately make up with Rha.
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Phil Deakins
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11-05-2008 07:26
From: Chris Norse The best thing would have been for it not to have been posted in public in the first place. This habit some people have of going back and deleting posts is entirely out of hand. Rha is not the only one doing it. If you don't want it saved for all to see, then don't post it. Posting then saying "Here are the rules for reading my post." is a crock, it makes no difference what the content is. You are right, but it's a rather cold view. I prefer a warmer way of interacting with people. I see nothing wrong with a warmer way, and I do see fault with the cold, clinical way, however correct it may be.
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11-05-2008 07:27
From: Phil Deakins I've no idea if Rha said something negative about 3ring the day before or not.... I dont know their personal history but from from Rhaorth Antonelli's earlier post. Rhaorth Antonelli - she thinks it is ok, because I am psycho (according to her, which personally I don;t care what she thinks, it means squat to me) Rhaorth Antonelli - and the more she posts her crap against me the more stupid she looks, I think I will just sit back and watch the show, well that is after I watch some TV Rhaorth Antonelli - words actually fail me for how I feel for her... closest I can come to is... pity... pity because she must feel so badly about herself, that in order to feel better she picks someone on the internet to vent it onto... From this i assume these 2 dont get along. From: Phil Deakins but, in view of the content of that particular post, don't you think that deciding not to take the piss out of her would have been the best thing in the circumstances? We all have RL have problems. It's just most of us dont post them on here to get a sympathy vote. I personally didnt feel the need to take the piss out of her for it. However I do feel the need to comment of her overreaction to 3 Ring today. If I had previously been in agumentative threads directly against Rhaorth Antonelli and it had got a bit bitchy then I would have no problems taking the piss out of her using whatever amunition was available. I would fight my corner. But then I am an arrogant bastard so it's in my nature.
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11-05-2008 07:28
From: Phil Deakins It doesn't take very long for me running traffic bots to make an appearance does it  No one mentioned bots until you brought them up. Conscience acting up?
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11-05-2008 07:31
From: Phil Deakins It doesn't take very long for me running traffic bots to make an appearance does it  Yes, I do get involved in stuff (bots stuff), and it occasionally follows me into totally unrelated threads, but I don't do anything like 3ring did in the other thread and in this one. The very nature of Rha's post in the other thread would have stopped me from doing anything like 3ring did, even in the most heated of discussions. There was a time, a long time ago, when I carried the feelings from one thread into two others, and I later apologised for doing it. It would be nice if 3ring would remove the quote, and the paragraph from this thread, and perhaps privately make up with Rha. I guess we all draw a line in a different place when determining what is 'acceptable'. My line is a bit further away from yours.
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Phil Deakins
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11-05-2008 07:36
From: Chris Norse No one mentioned bots until you brought them up. Conscience acting up? Hardly  But, since the only "stuff I get involved in", is to do with them, it wasn't really me who brought them up, albeit in a roundabout way.
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11-05-2008 07:39
From: Phil Deakins Hardly  Hardly But, since the only "stuff I get involved in", is to do with them, it wasn't really me who brought them up, albeit in a roundabout way. It's good to see that this non Bot related thread has broadened your agumentative horizons. 
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Phil Deakins
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11-05-2008 07:44
From: Porky Gorky I dont know their personal history but from from Rhaorth Antonelli's earlier post.
Rhaorth Antonelli - she thinks it is ok, because I am psycho (according to her, which personally I don;t care what she thinks, it means squat to me)
Rhaorth Antonelli - and the more she posts her crap against me the more stupid she looks, I think I will just sit back and watch the show, well that is after I watch some TV
Rhaorth Antonelli - words actually fail me for how I feel for her... closest I can come to is... pity... pity because she must feel so badly about herself, that in order to feel better she picks someone on the internet to vent it onto...
From this i assume these 2 dont get along. Apparently they don't get along, but those three quotes came *after* 3ring's two posts, so they were hardly surprising. From: Porky Gorky We all have RL have problems. It's just most of us dont post them on here to get a sympathy vote. What sympathy vote? You are jumping to conclusions there. The post read as an apology for her own behaviour, and an explanation of the reason for it. From: Porky Gorky I personally didnt feel the need to take the piss out of her for it. However I do feel the need to comment of her overreaction to 3 Ring today. To my way of thinking, Rha's responses to 3ring were gross underreactions.
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11-05-2008 07:47
From: Porky Gorky It's good to see that this non Bot related thread has broadened your agumentative horizons.  But if it's isolated, I'll forget all that I'm learning here, so it won't help me at all 
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11-05-2008 08:03
From: Phil Deakins What sympathy vote? You are jumping to conclusions there. The post read as an apology for her own behaviour, and an explanation of the reason for it. The way the post was phrased was very self pitying with reference to how upsetting the experience had been etc. Over the next couple of pages people reacted offering sympathy and kind words. That is the sympathy vote. If she had been off or rude with poeple previously as a result of her drama then contact them personally and offer an explanation. You post something like that on a public forum then you can gaurentee that all 'lovely people' will offer their sympathy and condolences as is expected within normal polite society. Even now she is winning the sympathy vote with you. She'll give Obama a run for his money if we are not careful.
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Phil Deakins
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11-05-2008 08:29
From: Porky Gorky The way the post was phrased was very self pitying with reference to how upsetting the experience had been etc. Over the next couple of pages people reacted offering sympathy and kind words.
That is the sympathy vote. If she had been off or rude with poeple previously as a result of her drama then contact them personally and offer an explanation. You post something like that on a public forum then you can gaurentee that all 'lovely people' will offer their sympathy and condolences as is expected within normal polite society. Even now she is winning the sympathy vote with you. She'll give Obama a run for his money if we are not careful. It's much too late to challenge Obama, but I only see it as I read it, and I read a blanket apology, together with a reason for its need. None of us can know what's inside another person's head so, for me, it's best to take it at face value or, if I feel compelled to read something into it, which may or may be true, then I think the right thing would have been to simply ignore it. Responding as 3ring did was inflamatory and totally unnecessary.
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11-05-2008 08:37
Well it's been lovely chatting to your Phil. I am about to enter the hell hole known as 'rush hour' so I will bid this thread farewell for now. As a tribute to your good argumentative spirit i shall refrain from argueing with Rha when she comments on my posts in this thread and will be a nice to her.
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