question regarding rentals and threats

Edited to add
I debated with myself as to if I wanted to post this thread and decided yes, because who knows how many others are facing a similar situation, and are not sure what to do.

Ok, I will try to make this a short as possible story. I would just ask the question but it would not make sense without the reason behind it LOL.

anywho... I decided to make some changes around my store, and due to some personal reasons I decided I no longer wanted one of the renters there, so I returned their stuff and removed the rental box (they were on free time, only 2 weeks remaining at 15L per week) and I told them if they want a refund I would refund as I don't want to be thought of as stealing from them (even though it was free time... I was told they added some time, but I am not aware of that, besides they had well over 2 free months from me, anywho... )
I do not mind giving out free time... as a matter of fact I like doing it, it helps folks out....

now.. this person has threatened (in a thinly veiled way) to contact my other renters and see how they feel about my "total disregard for the rental agreement"
The only agreement was they pay they stay, in this case it was FREE space and I said I would refund...

now the question...
(they also made mention of reporting me for "abuse"
abuse of what? What did I do wrong?
I own the land, I decided to avoid drama I would just remove this person, and I could have done so without a word, but I did tell them I removed them and why (and they can speak to another for more info, as I said... Drama, I no want it)

so...

do they have any reason to abuse report me?
And did I do anything wrong in removing them? Should I have sucked it up and let them stay till it ran out and told them I was not allowing them to renew? (I have a feeling either way, this situation would still be here)

Sure I have had run in's with folks, after nearly 3 years one would expect to
however I have never been threatened with an abuse report nor have I been threatened with someone saying they are going to see what my renters think about my "practices"

Input appreciated, please do not try to second guess who it was, as more than 1 person was removed, there were actually a total of 6 people removed from the land, one cuz her time ran out, and the others due to the change and/or the avoidance of drama.

It is not like we are talking 1000's of lindens or a high traffic place....

Thanks for any input.

I know some ppl will think I did wrong, if you are one of those people, please just explain why you think it was wrong and what you would have done differently. I do not want this to be an open invite for folks to start personally attacking me

This is also a great way for folks to discuss different business practices when it comes to renting. (this is the first time I have ever evicted someone due to personal reasons, I just do not need more drama in my life, SL or otherwise)

Thanks

From what you posted, I can see that you did nothing wrong and they have no basis for an abuse report. It is your land and you may do with it as you please. And that includes terminating rentals, especially free ones, at your sole discretion.

Thank you, that is what I was thinking too
I just do not want folks thinking I terminate willy nilly, as I said this is the first time in 3 years....

I just want to avoid drama, thought that would be the best way, and lo and behold, drama reared it's ugly head and bit me in the ass anyway GRRRRRR

Thanks Kathy, you confirmed what I was thinking

I would still like to see the views of others, and how they might have handled it if they were in the same situation.

I'm not clear on what "free time" means in this context, so I can't address that aspect of it; but I know that if I was renting a spot to run a business on, having to move suddenly would be a *huge* pain and would likely cost me money in lost sales and confused customers with out-of-date landmarks. If i were planning such a move I'd definitely want to have a couple of weeks' lead time at the minimum, so that I'd have time to arrange a new spot for the store and set up a "we're moving soon! here's an lm to the new spot" sign. And ideally, I'd like to keep a "we've moved!" LM giver at the old spot for a little while too, to catch folk who might have missed the announcement previously. I have no idea what your reasons were, but if I was basically tossed out on my ear by my landlord with no warning at all, I'd be very cross and upset. I doubt I'd do an AR because it'd be a dispute between residents and not the sort of thing that LL have ever shown any inclination to arbitrate over; but I'd be very annoyed and would lose respect for a landlord that did that to me since it would show a lack of consideration for my needs as a business owner.

Now, if there'd been some kind of ongoing squabble between you and the renters and you had explicitly warned them that it might happen soon that you'd be reclaiming the land, that's a slightly different kettle of fish. But just out of the blue? Technically you're within your rights to do that (since you own the land), but if you reclaimed the land without any warning or discussion I think it'd be entirely unsurprising if the former tenants were rather upset. It's not just a matter of who has what rights, it's a matter of courtesy. That's how I see it, anyway.

I'd say you shouldn't do anything to inspire any drama. You should've given them a weeks notice and then kicked them out or if they had some contract and had paid for it then they should be allowed for the contract to end. I guess it really depends on how much of a nuisance they were. There are some times when you'd have to get rid of someone fast. I'd refund any rent immediately though. Don't make them ask for it.

I'd suggest that you send a note to your other tenants in case your previous one decides to make good on their threat to message all of your tenants. As far as the AR is concerned I don't think that's going to be any problem.

Long ago I ran a small open air market. I rented stalls at the going rate back then of 2L/prim. I was full up.

after weeks of trying to track down dead beat renters, and numerous warnings that they would be ejected. I finally decided the whole idea of renting space was not for me. I closed the market. I refunded all who had time coming to them. And ejected all. wouldnt you know the most abusive over it were the ones that owed me multiple weeks rent.

Just how some see the world hun. Everyone owes THEM something and they owe no one anything. Let it roll off your shoulders and move on. It really isnt worth the ulcers.

Technically, you did nothing wrong. However, if I was the tenant, I'd be pissed off because you didn't warn me. Maybe a few days notice, to let them remove their stuff, would have been nice. They definitely can't AR you, either.

In regards to the ex-tenant saying nasty things about you, let them... if your other tenants are happy with you and the rental conditions, they'll stay.

free time means exactly that, they did not pay for it, it was free

as for it being a "store" for them, no, it was not, the little rentals are in no way something that someone would use for a main store.
I think at the time (pretty sure) that they rented it as a favor to me, so I would have renters (even though majority of the time and when they moved it was rent free, which is what I mean by free)
being that the land was under my land name, store name etc, I highly doubt they handed out lm's to it, and that the "out on the ear" is impacting their business at all

There was no land to reclaim, the rentals are little buildings on my stores land, I did cut some parcels, but this one was not one of them, they were under my store/land name.

The thing is Bree, the rent was actually free time I added to the rental box, however, if the person thinks I owe them 30L I would gladly send them the 30L, but I do not think the lindens were the issue.

Yes I plan to contact the other tenants. If for no other reason other than to thank them for being tenants, and to let them know what I am possibly thinking of doing.

There is only one person on my land that has a full 512 size plot, the rest were small.. approx 16ish by 8ish)


Yes I reacted quickly, I tend to do that sometimes, especially when on a very high stress level, and with the hunt messing up, and one thing leading to another to another to another, and RL being so uncertain (I dread Tue but at the same time I will get my answers hopefully then)... I am at the breaking point, and just reacted to that... and did what I thought was best....

I never expected the person to threaten to abuse report me, or expect them to threaten to bad mouth me to my tenants... I mean come on....

If someone doesn't want me on their land, I simply shrug and walk away... lesson learned... (and this person KNEW why I evicted, it is not like I never told them, and I am sure they know more than they let on)


I am thinking along the lines you are darkness, of pulling up the remaining stores, and just closing down the rentals.
It is not like it was bringing in much money as most of it was rent free to folks, my way of trying to help folks out.

that is what I charge 2L per prim, and I was offering free time a month at a time, to anyone renting the spaces... until someone else wanted the space (which never happened) the renters can choose to rent or take the free option, this person did both, rented some, and took the free option as well...

Reminds me of folks who bitch and moan about freebie items, and about when folks do promotional giveaways... either it is not perfect or it is not the color they like, or it is no transfer (yes I have seen folks complain that free items were no transfer)....

Thanks darkness... I hate pissing people off but I sure do seem to have a knack for it...
I hate being here on the stress level scale... <---------------------------|->

Ejectng someone who is not related to the issueat hand other than happening to be partnered to the person yu had an issue withwas childish and pretty low. Whether it was a free space or not, telling them you wouldnt be renewing their space asnd asking them toleave would have certainly been a btter wayto go about it than ejecting them for being acssociated with someone you have a personal issue with.

As for threatening you, well imnot sure it was a threat as she had every intention of telling the friends that were told abut your rentals bout your little hissy fit. What they choose to do with the information is up to them sure, but she has just as much right to tell friends how she was treated as you do to childish eject people from your land for being asscoiated with someone who took you off their friends list.

shake it off, usual hot air

Allowing personal vendettas to influence business decisions is never a good idea.

Posting this here where you KNEW the other party would see it and most likely respond is asking for drama, not trying to avoid drama.

she did not say she was going to tell her friends, she specifically said the other renters.....
there is a difference

and yes I already admitted I reacted, instead of thinking it through, the question at hand is not is what I did wrong, as much as what would someone else do
I asked for no personal attacks, yet you come in here and start slinging things like... hissy fit... around.. that to me is a personal attack... as it attacks my character...
want to make it personal, take it to im's or pm's

This thread is meant to help me learn, help me know better if this ever happens again
(and on the subject of childish and petty, I would think making threats like that are just as bad... as well as some other stuff I will not go into details about but you know what it is)


Ralektra actually I have no clue if the other person comes to the forums or not... so no I was not asking for drama, I was asking for advice, thoughts, views, etc
*edited to add* after all, isn't this what resident answers is meant for? to assist each other, to answer questions relating to SL and how to do things etc...

It was not a personal vendetta as I have had no squabble with this person, this person is connected to another whereas, evict one evict both...

yes I admit I handled it badly... however that doesn't make me a bad person, just bad judgement.

And as for business, I never once claimed to be a land baron or any kind of business person related to land, I do not consider a few small rentals on my land as a "business"

You knew i would read this and being my partner and partially about me because you ejected her because i took you off my friends lis made this personal. This is childish, you knew i would read it and you knew what i would have to say and you know that your first post is attacking my partner.

It was personal when you eject both of us for an issue you had with me. A pretty sillyone to be honest.

You can do what you like on your own land of course. I have no qualms about that, but the way you went about it was wrong and the factyou are bringing this up in a place youknwo i read and would respond is also wrong.

Had you simply said how would you deal with someone who was upset with how i ejected them threatening to tell my renters about it.... well that is very different from airing a drama you have with myself and my partner on this forums.

Let me reword it. Posting here when you knew that the PARTNER of the person in question (and the person that you were really striking out against) would see it is asking for drama.

Yes, this forum is meant to assist each other and ask questions. But is that what you really want to do? Because I get the distinct impression that what you really want to do is get the last word.

My advice to the person your message is really for is to ignore this and let it die.

Rha, I like your stuff. I buy your stuff. I have, strangley enough been around for a while and it's like this. Hell with em. It's just land. It's just stuff. If they are friends they will understand why you decided to take your ball and go home. If not, well, they are not really worth the angst your putting yourself through. TRelax, have fun. Screw em if they cant take a joke. See you about.

QFT.

From what you have said the renter has no grounds to AR you. As a landlord you should have provided a set of rules to your tenant. You should have specified that if said rules are broken then you have the option to remove their objects immediately. If you did this and your tenant broke your rules then I see no problem. If you didn't do this or the tenant didnt break a rule then I think you are in the wrong, and should have offered a notice period.
If I had been ejected from even a free plot without breaking the owners rule then i too would contact your other tenants to warn them of your gun ho attitude.

I have to agree with the above posts redarding your avoidance of drama. How is posting on a public forum avoiding drama? You know what this forum is like and posting this here will just create drama.

sorry I posted it here in such length, however E knows that no matter how I posted it, she would have known it was about her partner...

I posted it here, because that is what here is for

I am getting feedback and that is good
as I said if anyone wants to attack me, take it to im's I am not here to debate if I am good or bad

I never attacked anyone, I spelled out what happened and did not mention names, if E had not said anything, no one would have known who it was....

I guess what others have said is true, some folks can post about anything here and that is ok, others can not... so be it

I got what I was looking for, comments, answers and views, please continue as it helps

and for the record I am removing the rentals, I have discovered I am not a landlord type, not worth it, people take SL way too seriously


*waves to amy*
thanks hon... I think I need to adopt your attitude for awhile, might get me through some mighty troubled times in RL (that I fear I am about to encounter)

well if folks want to try to create drama from it that is up to them, I have other things to worry about, not gonna fall for anything that will pull me into a drama trap

I seriously wanted to see what folks would have done in my situation, and if the person has grounds for an abuse report (which I was pretty sure they did not)

and yeah I know what this forum is like, but I thought, well there are some helpful people in here, I might get lucky and get some honest answers and not people who just use it as a chance to get a dig in... *shrug* so I was wrong... but not completely

If you are asking what I would have done in your situaltion then thats different. If someone annoys me I would have done exactly what you did. Doesnt make it fair to the renters but who cares. My land I'll do what I want.

yes I want to know what others would have done, how they would have handled it... if they were in my shoes

yep my land, that is why I decided to remove all renters (except one, if she wants to stay that is)

because her's is a store full 512 plot... so she has a choice
if she leaves then I just put the 512 back as part of the main part of the land

Smart move too, as long as rentals help you paying your tier they are fine, but if you almost give them away, they are more of a burden then a joy

As for the drama part, with this thread you did nothing wrong in my opinion, you did not mention names or anything. Eclectic decided to connect names to the thread, not you.

To be honest, I could not care less who this is about. As an answer to your OP: you did what you were entitled to do with your own land. Since I do not know the exact reason for it, I don't know if you should have done it some other way either. But it is your land, and let them send as many notecards to other renters as they want. Your renters know why they are at your place, and no drama created by other renters will influence their stay, I am pretty sure about that. Personally I would be annoyed by the person sending the notecard, thats it.

Greetings, Marcel

Hehe.. not the advice to give in these forums!

As long as the person being evicted isn't someone I have an issue with, I would have done it much differently. I would have given them notice to remove their stuff, with an explanation as to why; e.g. stopping the rentals altogether, I have an issue with your partner and it's no longer appropriate for you to be here, whatever. Finding that my stuff had suddenly been returned and I was out would have annoyed me, even if the place was rent free. I can think of very few reasons why it would be necessary.