REZZ Boxes, advantages?

Not intended as a personal attack, but as an observation of someone stubbornly holding onto a bias because he/she profits from having that bias. *shrug* It is just human nature, after all.



The Isle of Wyrms Community. Contact me in-world, and I will be glad to have our land manager forward a current copy of the rules for both the residential sims and the marketplace to you.



LL doesn't make a lot of things specifically forbidden in the ToS. I doubt you will find a clause about orbiting people in the ToS, but it is no less an ARable offense, and you CAN be banned from SL for it if enough folks AR you. The old "it isn't specifically against the rules" defense doesn't wash, because it is GENERALLY against the rules under the parts about denial of service to other users (section 4.1 of the ToS, if you wanna see for yourself).



Yes, of course, making the sim unstable and causing other folks to not be able to use their full prim allotment because someone has to go 1600 prims over their allotment (that is not an exaggeration; it is an actual incident on record) is just simply "normal temp rezzer operations". Is anything anyone is saying here getting through the bias filter at all?

Look. You wanna sell temp rezzers. Fine, I don't care. The only part I object(ed) to is where you market them to go above parcel prim allotments. I object to it in the same way orbiter and weapon sellers market their weapons encouragingly (but with a disclaimer!) to grief other people. I understand that if you don't do it, you kinda make it pointless to buy a temp rezzer. Why else would anyone need one, except as a novelty they shouldn't otherwise use?

I don't envy your position, which is why I refuse to get into it myself. I can't morally and ethically justify selling something whose main reason to exist is to break someone's rules and/or cause others grief (either directly or indirectly). As a result, I don't. Whether you do or not is on your conscience, but at the end of the day, all I am saying here is "don't pee on my back and tell me it is raining".

I hadn't realised that you meant your island rules. That's fair enough.

It may be human nature, but your idea that I'm "stubbornly holding onto..." it quite wrong. You really don't know what's in my mind. It could just be that I don't see any wrong in it, regardless of whether I sell them or not. But we've been through all that before. I could say the same of you, incidentally - that you are stubbornly holding onto..., but I don't because i don't know. So it's better not to discuss the individual at all.

If you read my posts on this page, you'll see what I said about that. I don't need specifics in the ToS - just something that covers it will do, and the actions you mentioned are covered in the ToS.

That's why I said it is an OBSERVATION. It is what I am perceiving. It is important to the discussion to point out the probability that it is the case, because it pretty much precludes any further debate on the subject. If the observation is incorrect, and you CAN be convinced to do something as radical as changing your marketing (or stop selling them completely, which I have never suggested), or you can come up with something to convince me that prim rezzers are not significantly problematic the way you have them marketed, then I'll be glad to admit that the observation was misplaced.

BTW, if you don't want to discuss the individual at all, I would suggest practicing what you are preaching. From your previous posts, you've also been using similar observations about others' arguments. If you didn't intend to go there, you should not leave the door open, lest the wrong dogs come home.



Yes, you are correct, they are, including denial of service from temp rezzers. The fact that one Linden couldn't be arsed to deal with a case of abuse (Lindens are far from exemplary or consistent in their enforcement of the ToS) doesn't change the general tone and response towards the abuse of prim allotment by people using temp-rezzers. They don't get involved in that for what is probably the vast majority of complaints, because they are on private islands, and they expect the owners of said private islands to set and enforce their own rules. Hence, we do.

However, for the mainland (and I own a bit of that myself), LL and the ToS is all we have.

It's a possibility - not a probability

We've already found in this thread that using temp rezzers to get beyond the pim allowance is not significantly problematic, or problematic even in a minor way. Of course, anyone is free to accept it or not, as they choose. There was agreement that using them *can* be problematic, but that's different.

Aren't you?

Let's face it, with the exception of DoS attacks and a few legal "cover our ass" clauses, the whole ToS is written like a bad lawyer's wet dream. You can read nearly anything into any clause, which is why LL wrote it that way, and why judges in RL courts toss the ToS out on it's arse.

What it comes down to is the old Golden Rule "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Or to put it more simply "Play nice."

I don't think using the prims to rerez constantly, making temp-prims (in effect) permanent is 'playing nice'. I think it's a greasy, underhanded way to cheat the system. Wether or not it impacts the other landowners in the sim or not. IF it does, it is also theft, imo. Yes, my opinion, but I like to think I have a tiny shred of moral fiber.

If you think it's fine, then it's your concious, not mine.

I've explained the downsides to misuse of rezzers, and anyone who wishes to ask me questions may. I get all IMs online or offline, though it may not always be an instant response.

But I'm done wasting my time splitting hairs on points that have no bearing on the discussion.

~Jessy

Actually no. I'm not using my interpretation of the ToS. I don't even know what's in it, so that's no possible. I'm just discussing things rationally.

And that's exactly what I do. It doesn't matter to me if people use extra prims from the pool if I am nowhere near using up my allocation. If it prevents me from using my allocation, then it does matter to me. There hasn't been any disagreement on that.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, as everyone else is entitled to theirs, and I am pleased to say that I have a very large chunk of moral fibre. It isn't cheating the system at all - it's making use of the system - there's a huge difference.

The tragedy of the commons through script power.