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you realise that i could hit google and find recipe examples with animal products used in every bread known to man...

The bakery that my family and I have done business with for over a decade most assuredly does label their products with the ingredients. And they certainly do not use pre-made mixes, we're friends with the family that owns and runs the place.

Of the three loaves I have at home right now (Generic white bread, Bavarian rye, and jewish rye), the only one that has any animal content at all is the jewish rye, which contains powdered milk.

Neither the white nor the Bavarian have any animal product whatsoever - in fact, they specifically list the shortening as "vegetable shortening(soybean)" in the ingredients.

I just learned Bavarian rye has saurkraut in it. Never woulda guessed that...

if the baker is there why would he need an ingredients chart? nobody uses them in the kitchen so why the bakeshop?

yup.

not saying its a rule that they dont.
do you believe its a hard and fast rule that all whites are vegan?

Most foods that you buy to take home will list the ingredients on the package, or will have them available on request. Restaurants too are increasingly making their ingredients available as well.

if you were a hardcore vegan would you rock up to some restaurant and order white bread? without even asking about it?

Uh, *what*?

When did I ever say anything even remotely like that?

what happened to wrapping a loaf in paper and handing it over the counter hey. 'ingredients label' :\
theres no way in hell most of the restaurants ive worked at would give out a list of ingredients. its considered something of a trade secret. of course if someone asked 'is there nuts in this?' 'is it gluten free' etc we would answer. but we wouldnt in a million years fork over a list of ingredients.

Has someone claimed that?

you listed a few breads pointing out that the label indicates they are animal free. im asking you if the point of your post was to indicate that all similar breads would therefore be animal free as well. and if not, what was the point of your post and how does it refute my claim that breads are generally not a safe bet for vegans?

everyone who is questioning my assertion that vegans ordering bread in a restaurant are misguided at best is claiming that hey.

Jesus Christ Nina.

I worked from 2 am to 11 am. I went home. I did NOT stay there all fucking day to answer questions about ingredients. The stupid counter girls couldn't pull their thumbs out of their asses long enough to figure it out, so we made up ingredients lists. What is SO DIFFICULT about that?

Many many of our customers kept kosher and so our bakeshop was kosher. These people had very specific dietary concerns, and OFTEN asked for ingredients lists.

kosher? so you had a rabbi on staff to crack eggs and bless utensils then?

im obviously being a twat here.
i know what you mean about kosher ok

/me looks for the ROFLMAO smilie.

/me groans


No. I'm not even going to answer this. I'm walking away.

sorry.
youve already told me you didnt use eggs

I think the time has come and since Brenda is not staying on top of her duties.


"Hitler was a vegetarian"

No. The point was to refute your seeming assertions that it is highly likely that any given product has an animal component, when in fact (using an admittedly very limited sampling) shows that only 1 out of 3 such products are likely to contain an animal component.



Your view seems to be the majority of breads contain an animal component, and those that do not are an exception to the rule. My view, from my own experience (as an avid amature baker, as well as a consumer of bread), is that the trend goes the other way - the majority of breads I am familiar with (and thus would order, in a restaurant for example) do not contain an animal component.

As you pointed out, you could find a recipe for almost any bread made that has an animal component. Of course. I could throw a tablespoon of butter in anything without effecting the outcome, and boom, it has an animal component. But by the same token, I would wager you I could find almost any bread recipe known to man *without* an animal component as well... For kosher or vegan reasons, take your pick.

So, from my own experience - bread isn't a 100% safe bet. But I never claimed it was. Would I suggest that, if you were trying to order blind, and were a hardcore vegan, bread would be a comparatively safe bet? Yes.

I'm not sure if this thread was ever on topic but it definitely isn't now.

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