WSPA to join SL

So? What does that have to do with anything?

Most people find that position very extreme.

Because it isn't. And most animal rights organizations eventually reveal themselves to be a version of PETA.

opinion.

Personal experience, not precisely the same thing. But if you like, you can call it an opinion. So?

I can count on one hand the number of animal rights groups that say "Yeah, we think responsible hunting is OK." They exist. But there aren't many of them.

so, it is an opinion and not fact. just because you have seen a cow milked or been hunting that doesnt not make your opinion fact. i am sure there are people that have seen cows milked and gone hunting also and you claim the acts to be cruel.

Again, so?

It seems like your trying to make a point, but you're pointing at the chair and screaming "CHAIR!" like the chair was pretending to be a kumquat and had everyone but you fooled, when in fact all it's ever been or desired to be is a chair.

I am a carnivore, and oppose most extreme animal rights organizations because of their blatant hypocrisy.
Allegedly "moral" vegans and vegitarian members of these groups often chastise me for enjoying a gigantic medium-rare new york strip on occasion.
I simply remind them that at least MY food has a chance of running away - unlike the helpless plant life they rip from the flesh of the earth, and consume fresh - tender, ripe bodies snapping and crackling in their greedy mouths. Or...they steam-torture them...keep them just alive enough to be firm to the tooth, and devour them that way.

Then I do a war whoop and start dancing in a circle.

They usually leave me alone after that. Or at least they learn to stop buggin' me at mealtimes.

ironically, you pointed to a chair and cried "throne". its just a chair, just as its just your opinion.

i would chastise you as well.
medium rare is overcooked.

But a throne /is/ a chair.

Or, to tie it in with the thread better, my experience is my opinion, because my opinion is based on my experience. In no case was there pretense of anything else, so I fail to see the pointing in standing up and crying "chair!".

/me jumps up and down: could i have one too....... pretty pretty pretty please? my unicorn would love the company!

Because groups like PETA advocate animal rights while most people advocate animal welfare. PETA thinks that no one should own pets that it's cruel, they also like to harass exotic animal rescues, and they especially hate reptile rescues. Of course the bomb threats that their members send to rescues can be hilarious to read at times.




P.S. I am biased, I am on the board of directors of a reptile rescue.

I'm in a funny position on it all, but I'm amazed by the number of people who can't understand that there's actually not any real reason for humans to eat meat anymore. We don't need to, as vegetarians are out there proving we can live healthy (sometimes healthier) lives without any meat. And yet there are many people who are so content to believe that killing and eating flesh is our God-given right and that that's justification enough. Frequently the same people who can't stand to watch an animal being strung up and skinned on the TV, frequently the same people who have never actually seen a live version of what they're eating. I've met a group of Americans who came over to Britain, and had never seen a cow in their life except on TV, and yet are content to sit and eat burgers all day.

You've got extremes on both ends, PETA are extremely against anything they perceive as animal cruelty, and in many ways extreme action is the only way to get people's attention, because 99% of people are happy to ignore the wrongs in the world so long as they've got a comfy sofa with a nice big TV to whittle away their lives.
But at the other end you've got people who don't even think about these things, who don't really think about anything and just do as they're told, or as their friends do. Yes PETA can be over-the-top, but I think downright ignorance is far more disgusting. Not to mention people who believe that animal cruelty is okay, because they're "just" animals and that entitles them to act as they please. It's the exact same mentality that caused the holocaust, because the people who were being slaughtered were "just" Jews, which apparently did not qualify them with the right to live.

I own a fantastic horse. I don't ride, I just keep her, and try to let her be as free as she can be in this human dominated world. She's a joy to see and just has so much personality and mischief for what others see as some worthless animal that just stands there and eats grass all day. To imagine someone being cruel to her, or to any animal is horrendous, and if the WSPA wants to spread that message then all power to them. Anyone that believes animal cruelty is okay should try being locked up in a too-small cage all their life, or be chained up indoors and fed on food they don't want to eat, just to make them taste better for someone who they will never meet alive.
If we have to keep eating animals, or continue keeping them as pets, then we need to at least let them live; I don't mean the simple act of being alive, but actually live, get a chance to run around, socialise (yes animals do this, it's not a human invention) and so-on.

But yes, I'm a furry as well, it's just so much more liberating to be able to be open with people rather than feeling you must always be guarded because society punishes you for who you are, or for any perceived weakness. I very much doubt the WSPA will be blind enough to oppose furries, who feel more in touch with animals and prefer simpler values. To be furry does not mean you want to have sex with animals, I consider that to be as abusive as hitting them or taking away the freedom they will never get to enjoy.

I've seen a few proper animal avatars in SL but I'm convinced that conventional furries are just humans dressed up with plastic heads and tails because I've got such items in my inventory. Although I've never worn them, I know the head just fits over one's normal head and the tail straps to one's waist.

i believe there are certain nutrients that are found only in meat. vegans may substitute things (such as legumes) for these nutrients, but i believe it is a poor substitute at best.
i dont recall the particular nutrients in question, and i dont feel like researching it, but i recall that being the case.
and as to whether or not to take the word of random forum posters over that of a nutrition instructor at le cordon bleu culinary academy... have a guess.

I have a <printed> article on that somewhere around the house. Ill see if I can find it later. But you are right, its several nutrients.

In addition people who don't eat meat often don't get enough protein which can have negative health effects.

Certain proteins and amino acids are only in meat I think, Nina.

heres an article online it seems fairly balanced pros and cons.

Like most internet articles though it never heard of citing its sources.

http://www.epigee.org/vegetarian.html

There are 8 essential amino acids in a perfect protein; animal flesh contains all of them. There are very few individual plants that are considered "perfect" proteins; quinoa is one of them. Vegetarians can combine several different plants (soy, corn, beans, amaranth, etc) to complete the 8 amino acids. It's not hard to do but it does take a bit more effort than eating a steak.

FWIW, medium rare is my fave.

/me wonders how this thing has travelled on to vegetarian diets?


Anyhooooo, as a vegetarian myself I can attest to the fact that it is perfectly possible to be perfectly healthy while refraining from eating anything that once had a face.


It takes a little bit of thought, but it's not rocket science. If it were I wouldn't stand a chance.

Thanks. now you've made me hungry.

yes, that is pretty much the same information i remember being taught.
the bottom line being that strict veganism was not only a great effort (animal product is in far more things than ppl realise), but was not the healthiest choice - while lacto-ovo vegetarianism (no meat, but eggs/dairy ok) was a far healthier route.

eh it's just a piece of land, if they annoy you, don't go... I sincerely doubt they'll be sending virtual avatars to your virtual homes, to chastise your virtual meal choices, or virtual passtimes...

I say good on them, promote something they care about by setting up a place where people can GOTO and see/hear/experience things from their viewpoint

and that unicorn thing..... just wrong..... just.... wrong (but I laughed my tail off at the things people will create/do)

if i had a penny for everytime a vegetarian has asked for chips (tallow), bread (dairy), pasta (eggs), etc i would be a rich man.
to be a pure vegan takes enormous effort and great knowledge of food. it isnt a simple matter of not ordering meat.