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Paladin Pinion
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12-08-2009 09:21
From: Sea Warcliffe
And this is why I am often found as a tiny otter in gender neutral clothing. It tends to weed out the pervs, and the people who actually do speak to me are pretty cool ;)


I do something similar but in a human AV. I have intentionally made my body shape non-sexual -- reduced the bustline, increased the waistline, only wear clothing that covers everything. No belly button showing, mostly jeans and long shirts. Then if that doesn't work, I slip something into the conversation that lets them know I'm probaby their mother's age -- even if I'm not. They usually go away after that.
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Aeslyn Dae
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12-08-2009 09:22
From: Kay Penberg
Yes, I see what you mean. I could cause far less hurt by being clear from the beginning than by dropping subtle hints. Thanks; another good point to keep in mind.


Yep - clear but friendly is good. Then it's up to the other person if they want to be simply friendly or not.

I don't deny it can be tough going. At least, I don't always find it very easy. Sometimes I think I've been clear as day (as Dae?) speaking to another English-speaking person and still find out later they thought I meant something quite different - or vice versa.

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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
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12-08-2009 09:59
From: Kay Penberg
You know, I don't think I've ever seen a Tiny in SL. Was beginning to think they were mythical :)



Yes, you're quite right; it could have been awful. And I think maybe I would have dealt with it better if it had happened just about anywhere else (maybe). It's the thought that I could get this a lot via group listings that bothers me more than anything - you know, complete strangers who aren't anywhere nearby calling out of the blue simply because they can see I'm online.


One time I got an IM from a COMPLETE stranger. He apparently simply searched people at random, and IM'd them when he found a profile he liked. I was very nonplussed, but he was friendly and well spoken, and we had a nice little talk. Never heard from him again.

So it can happen, even if you don't belong to ANY groups.

However, an unsolicited IM from someone you don't know, who isn't physically present, is generally considered rude. It can be done, but it must be done very delicately and politely. The person called is perfectly justified in saying, "Look, you. I don't know you from Adam. You don't know me. I'm busy. Have a nice day, and please don't call me again."

On the other hand, if they seem nice, you could talk with them a while, and if it seems warranted, go to meet them somewhere and get better acquainted. Not your new home...you don't want strangers setting landmarks in your living room.

SL is all about people, so I try to be more open than I might be in RL. I only get testy if they prove to be a jerk.
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Kira Cuddihy
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12-08-2009 10:11
I just tell them, "No thank you, I don't do those things" Some times it works, some times you have to give them a little shove.
Brenda Connolly
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12-08-2009 12:18
From: Kay Penberg
Time will tell - I'll bear that in mind though.

I hear more and more about Emerald. Is that the way things are heading?


It sure seems to be the rage. I don't use it, but a lot of people do.
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Kay Penberg
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Join date: 29 Oct 2009
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12-08-2009 14:38
From: Lindal Kidd
When you Mute a person, it means you can no longer receive IMs from them or hear them in Local Chat or get inventory offers from them or animation requests. They appear to you in world as a gray silhouette and have (Muted) after their nametag..


That does seem a useful option for extreme cases. Do you know if the muted person is made aware of it? Like, do they get a message warning them? Or is there just silence?
Kay Penberg
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12-08-2009 14:41
From: Paladin Pinion
I do something similar but in a human AV. I have intentionally made my body shape non-sexual -- reduced the bustline, increased the waistline, only wear clothing that covers everything. No belly button showing, mostly jeans and long shirts. Then if that doesn't work, I slip something into the conversation that lets them know I'm probaby their mother's age -- even if I'm not. They usually go away after that.


It's a good strategy. But I still think it's disappointing that such can be necessary at all.
Kay Penberg
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12-08-2009 14:44
From: Aeslyn Dae
Sometimes I think I've been clear as day (as Dae?) speaking to another English-speaking person and still find out later they thought I meant something quite different - or vice versa.


Perhaps that is because some hear what they want to hear instead of what's said? I'd guess in someone is in a particular mindset, then they are going to interpret things within that mindset no matter what the actual conversation is?
Kay Penberg
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12-08-2009 14:50
From: Lindal Kidd
However, an unsolicited IM from someone you don't know, who isn't physically present, is generally considered rude.


Well that's good to know, as I admit I felt that way about it. As I think I've mentioned, I really wouldn't have minded so much if I had been out and about somewhere and someone approached me. It's this "harvesting" of group lists that bugs me. But ...

From: someone
SL is all about people, so I try to be more open than I might be in RL. I only get testy if they prove to be a jerk.


... and you are so right. That wasn't the reason I first tried SL, but the more I go in-world, the more I appreciate the possibilities it offers in social terms. And I am pushing myself in that direction. :)
Kay Penberg
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12-08-2009 14:51
From: Kira Cuddihy
I just tell them, "No thank you, I don't do those things" Some times it works, some times you have to give them a little shove.


I will certainly do that too if I get asked to do anything I don't want!
Kay Penberg
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12-08-2009 14:52
From: Brenda Connolly
It sure seems to be the rage. I don't use it, but a lot of people do.


I'm satisfied with the usual viewer myself. Doubt I'll be trying Emerald anytime soon.
Fox Marchant
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12-08-2009 14:53
kay...muted people as far as I know, don't get advised they are muted. They will probably realise it after a while, especially if their messages don't seem to getting through or 'gifts' aren't accepted. If you interact with them again, the mute is overridden. I have only ever muted a few people and I have done it for good, so there is no second chance in my book. It's an extreme and final step. Ignoring idiots is the best initial approach, they usually get bored and move on. I have a girl at the moment who IM's me all the time. I am polite and last night checked out her club and her home at her request. Usually these people have some trait, or act oddly that doesn't gel with your SL, or makes you plain uncomfortable. After you have sussed them out, you should feel comfotable in ignoring/muting them as you see fit.
Rafe Phoenix
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12-08-2009 17:58
From: Kay Penberg
lol
How do you have two avatars in world at the same time? Two computers, or do you run two viewers?


Run multiple viewers. There seems to be a new bug that will crash SL when I turn on any outside IM client with more than one viewer going. I don't recommend running the regular SL client with more than one viewer because it does not work very well (on my puter anyway.)
SnowGlobe is the most stable for me with multiple enabled.
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Sebastian Joliat
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12-08-2009 18:00
Kay - you sound like a dear, sweet soul.
I will say, that the longer you're in SL, the better you'll get at rejecting unwanted advances.
And, the longer we guys are in SL the better we get at being rejected *grins*
I can see where your dilemna lies - a friendly IM slowly turns into something else. Overt requests for sex are easy to turn down, but, this guy is more subtle.
The best thing to do is not to respond to any sexual words, keep things light. You can also take longer and longer to respond, and also say less and less.......
Friendship requests after a single one sided IM can be justifyably rejected.
A sensitive male should pick up on these cues and back off.
You'll get better at this, I promise, and, again, you're a dear sweet soul *smiles*
Kay Penberg
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12-09-2009 04:20
From: Fox Marchant
kay...muted people as far as I know, don't get advised they are muted. They will probably realise it after a while, especially if their messages don't seem to getting through or 'gifts' aren't accepted.


Thanks; it's useful to know that.
Kay Penberg
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12-09-2009 04:21
From: Rafe Phoenix
Run multiple viewers.


Wow. You must have a fast computer there!
Kay Penberg
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12-09-2009 04:29
From: Sebastian Joliat
Kay - you sound like a dear, sweet soul.


Ah, clearly you don't know me. Naive? Yes. Timid? Socially inept? Yes, to all those. But sweet? My soul is a dark pit where your nightmares are made reality; where you will flounder like a mewling kitten until you sink beneath the surface, and your final thoughts will be of horror and desolation. Hmm, that would have come across better with more echo. Sound engineers, can I have more echo on my voice, please? And maybe some timbre?

From: someone
I will say, that the longer you're in SL, the better you'll get at rejecting unwanted advances.


I hope so.

From: someone
And, the longer we guys are in SL the better we get at being rejected *grins*


Do you mean guys will learn to handle rejection better, or that they will find more and more ways to be rejected? :)
Aeslyn Dae
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Join date: 12 Jul 2007
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12-09-2009 04:44
From: Kay Penberg
Ah, clearly you don't know me. Naive? Yes. Timid? Socially inept? Yes, to all those. But sweet? My soul is a dark pit where your nightmares are made reality; where you will flounder like a mewling kitten until you sink beneath the surface, and your final thoughts will be of horror and desolation. Hmm, that would have come across better with more echo. Sound engineers, can I have more echo on my voice, please? And maybe some timbre?


Drama queen.

:D
Kay Penberg
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12-09-2009 04:59
From: Aeslyn Dae
Drama queen.

:D


Moi? No, I'm sweet :)
Jig Chippewa
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12-09-2009 05:30
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Please don't walk away thinking that it is rude or unacceptable to IM people at random, or out-of-the-blue. For the sake of those nice people who might want to start a conversation with you....and for the sake of yourself, when you spot someone really interesting that you want to talk to. Please don't hesitate to tell them so. Most people welcome that. I don't recall anyone ever being put off or rude about it.


I love being IMed by strangers when I'm actually on line. Its exciting to be prepositioned by some bloke who you've never heard of and he's all shy and vibrating like a sheet on a line in a high wind.
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Kay Penberg
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12-09-2009 05:34
From: Jig Chippewa
Its exciting to be prepositioned by some bloke who you've never heard of and he's all shy and vibrating like a sheet on a line in a high wind.


I don't think I'm going to get that image out of my head anytime soon.
Marianne Little
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12-09-2009 06:40
Kay, friend Jig and pass her all the blokes!
Melita Magic
On my own terms.
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12-09-2009 06:47
From: Kay Penberg
That is something which concerns me: driving away those I might want to get to know. I guess some kind of balance has to be struck.


I don't think this will be a worry. I mean, you took the time and trouble to begin a thread topic because you were concerned about hurting the feelings of someone who shows all the signs of being a nattering bore, or a pushy palm tickler.

I can't think that someone with the sensitivity/consideration to be more thoughtful than that, would get a rude word from you. And if they did, well, you are human too.

If someone IMed me out of the blue just because we shared a group and I was online, I'd be a bit taken aback. But then, IMs from people I've never met and can't see are a bit unnerving, I feel. Especially ones who don't take the time from the start to tell you where/why they felt obliged to IM.

I'm with you on NOT feeling flattered by a guy obviously blind-trolling for 'company' that way.
Lexxi Gynoid
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12-09-2009 06:57
From: Melita Magic
I can't blame them for trying to find what they want, I just wish everyone were clearer about that from the start. Or not so hasty or presumptuous. Since the person WAS hasty and presumptuous (it sounds like), then just do what you have to do to look after your own interest, which - isn't them. Lol.

I'm not sure if invisible members are invisible only to those outside the group or not.

Heh. I am uncomfortable with both.

But your " I just wish everyone were clearer about that from the start. " reminds me of threads involving men wandering around IM'ing out of the blue with "sex nao?"

Damned if you do (conversation, etc.), or don't (clearer from start; well, whichever would be do or don't). heh.

Invisible members are visible to members in the group, but invisible to those not in the group, at least they used to be, I haven't checked in a while.

(dang, I just realized I responded to something very early in the thread; everything I posted probably already noted, and or stale)
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Melita Magic
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12-09-2009 06:58
From: Lexxi Gynoid
But your " I just wish everyone were clearer about that from the start. " reminds me of threads involving men wandering around IM'ing out of the blue with "sex nao?"

Damned if you do (conversation, etc.), or don't (clearer from start; well, whichever would be do or don't). heh.


There's a difference between 'clear' and 'crass.'
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