Ok well I like this part

The difference is that LL is now taking a cut from sales. It's a *huge* difference to my mind. They should stick with providing the service, like a web host, imo, and not get into making money from transactions. They now have a vested interested in pointing users at *their* sales, which you can clearly see on the login page.

LL is the same as a web host that provides webspace and internet connection for money. LL provides the land and the system for money. They are pretty much the same. A host can't take a percentage from sales that a website generates, but that's what LL has embarked on. It's a fundamental change, imo.

If the picture taking is set to save to hard drive and you use the shortcut, there is no exporting of them or even a delay in saving them other than the first one after each login (so you can specify a file prefix name and location). I can snap many many pics really fast in SL. Then open my picture editor and click the open button and select them all at once - it opens them all up, ready for me to edit.

Now that I think about this a little more I realize the if I had an online store and my ISP came to me and said, "Hey, we've got a new service that will give you another advertising channel and we can even refer sales directly to you from our site" I think they would be justified in charging something for this service.

SLXchange did the same, what's the difference.
I wouldn't go paranoia already.

You don't have to use them at all, and it will have no effect to my opinion if you don't.
Personally i am also one of those buyers who buys directly in world not via via.
Now should XSSL gets a merchant higher in search then that it's a legitimate method to choose from to be charged for, since classifieds is hardly used by masses. And you know my opinion about Bots/Alts.
On XSSL you can put a demo in, of what's in your shop and direct viewers to it.

There is a market for everything, however current economic sl statistics and the tech issues are of a bit lil higher concern, not XStreetSL, and your speculations.
And ofcourse they will build links.

Btw, a terminal helps to get more traffic, but ok you have another method for that

You are way over reacting. Well, only my opinion, off to bed

If I choose not to use it then I don't care if I am not found there....

and I am not missing the point Phil, I just do not agree with it is all

don't they take a % of the lindens when you cash out on the lindex and when you buy there (and do not say use 3rd parties, as many folks won't or do not know about them) and they advertise the lindex on their site

so yes they have been taking a cut for a long time, just not directly, and frankly I do not care if they take a cut...

which one is your argument

first you say it is the cut, then you say it is the fact they are advertising on the main page thus giving an "unfair advantage" to people who use xstreet as apposed to those who only sell in world...

But it's not a new service in that sense. It's an existing service that LL has bought and, with it, they have entered the sales market, AND they are doing their best to guide people to their sales market.

XSSL was not LL. XSSL could not put a big advertisement on the front page of the SL website in the most prime position. XSSL could not promote their sales on the SL website any more than I can. There's a huge difference.

I'm not aware of anyone being paranoid about it though. It won't make any personal difference to me, but I *do* think it is a bad thing for SL traders/content creators. I think it's a bad thing for LL to enter the marketplace and trade for money along with content creators and stores. It's a whole new kettle of fish now.

Again, it will only affect people who choose to not use xstreetsl. Knowing what it will cost them in sales. They get no sympathy for suffering the consequences of their informed decision from me.

I still don't see what the problem is here.

I do think you are missing the point, but it doesn't matter.

my only issue with it is lack of any advance warning really...the cost is negligable but with the flip of a switch the marketing methods i use need to be adjusted and that will take time. as with any change in mid stream, if i had known, i could have planned for the changes.

You see? You *are* misiing the point. I'll try to say it very clearly...

LL has now entered the marketplace along with the content creators and stores - for profit.

LL has a vested interest in pointing people to their own sales area so that they can profit.

LL is already using the most prime spot on the website to point people at their own sales area so that they can profit at the expense of content creators.

I hope that's clear enough now. You don't have to agree that it's a bad thing, but I hope that you understand the point now.

Phil, I understand your objections here. However, I think these are positive changes for us residents. It puts LL in the same boat as the residents. Sales = profit for them as well as residents, and so now they have a vest interest in there being lots and lots of sales.

And it's good for consumers, which is my angle of interest, because it's going to yield more choice, not less. And more choice means more competition, which means better prices, better products, innovation, etc etc etc.

Phil is totally correct,this is the way I read it .They are now getting cash any which way but loose. I had the highest traffic on Xstreet for bloody ages.sales were also good.If this is going to be the trend my prices will increase,I will also be looking to discount, if item is purchased inworld.

The sooner the xstreet tab is included in search the better....


NO MORE BOTS, NO MORE BOTS, NO MORE BOTS!!!!!!!!

you sure talk as though it will make a personal difference to you


and as for them doing this for profit (or anything for profit) of course they will, it is business

just like you put out the bots... in the end it is for profit

(bots = traffic = higher listing = more customers = more sales = profit)


look at your own back yard before shitting in someone elses.

I like what LL has done... you don't....

Let me change that then... the ISP of my online store says: "Hey, there's this service that we just aquired that you may or may not have already been using. If you haven't been using it, you should consider it because it gives you another advertising channel and it can even refer sales directly to you from the site. If you're already using it, nothing much has changed except we're gonna increase our advertising budget.".

I still would still view that as a value-add and consider it. There's nothing underhanded going on by the ISP.

(As an SL buyer, I'm still doing my shopping in-world however cuz I like it better.)

You appear to be trying to give it a spin that LL are entering the market in competition with content creators.
They are not. Any cut they make out of Xstreet is the same cut that Xstreet always made.

You're just pissed that you haven't worked out a way of gaming XStreet.
You're just pissed that someone else in your particular line could get in front of eyeballs.
The world owes none of us a living.
SL doesn't owe you a living.

I make absolutely no secret of the fact that I despise thse who try to game Seach for their own profit. Traffic-gaming and Picks buying, to name the most obvious shabby methods, damage society in SL.
If the Xstreet visibility on the home page - and perhaps in the Search window eventually - gives more people a chance to shine, that's absolutely wonderful.

I rezz a finger for the search-gamers to sit on!!

Lol. It won't make any difference to the use of bots unless they replace the traffic rankings with it, which they may actually do.

But it won't. I'm talking about business in SL, and not about me. I also talked very down about LL's dealing over the OpenSpace sims affair, but I never owned or rented one. Don't make the mistake of reading into someone's views things that are not there. We often have views on things that don't directly or indirectly affect us, you know.

Yes it is, but it's a side of business that they should not be involved in, in my very strong opinion.

It still sounds like you've missed the point, but it doesn't matter, although maybe this will clarify it a bit...

You make and sell clothes (forget the amount you sell as it's not relevant). You pay for the platform services on which you do your trading. Suppose the platform provider sees that you (and others) are making lots of money and thinks, "I want some of that", and so they enter the market with their own ranges of clothes, in direct competition with you. Not only that, but they use the best parts of their platform to point its users straight to their own clothes, and not to yours. Would you like them doing it then? You pay the owners to run your business on their completely neutral platform, but as soon as they see that you are making money, they go into competition with you and do everything they can to point people at their goods, so that they get much of the profits and not you. As the platform owners, they put signs and pointers to their own goods in all the best places - but you can't do that. And you are still paying them so that you can run your business on their platform. Would you be happy with that?

What LL is doing now is a lot less than that, but the only real difference is that, instead of selling their own products, they are selling yours and taking a cut of your profits. Is that what you expected from the neutral platform owners when you agreed to pay them monthly to have your business on their platform?

If it doesn't matter to you, that's fine. I don't think the platform owners should be doing it though.

If they stop taking the commission, it would be totally different, of course, because they wouldn't be in the marketplace for profit, and it would just be another area to sell goods. But they've said that the commission will continue.

It's still not a parallel, because it isn't a "new channel" in the sense of an additional channel. What it does is point people at the area so that they buy there rather than them buying at the stores. It diverts people from one to the other - it isn't a new channel.

What LL is doing is akin to the host saying to the trader, "Hey, we've just acquired this great way to show your goods if you pay us a commission on your sales, and we can set things up so that potential customers will be directed to it instead of them going to your store as they normally would. Interested?"

Try to be serious, Sling. It's nothing to do with me personally, and it won't make any difference to me. If I were interested in using XSSL, I would have been using it a long time ago, but it's never appealed to me and it still doesn't. I don't need it. And kindly discuss the topic if you want to discuss anything, instead of persistantly trying to divert it to your personal crusade. Thank you.

about the only thing that scared me about LL getting Xstreet was this..
is customer support going to be like the support we get from SL..
are there going to be setup fee's now or are prices going to go up..
basically is it gonna be harder on us to use it..

it getting more exposure i just don't see the problem really..
now putting it on the search in game ..ya thats cutting peoples throats and putting LL in the game..but outside of SL it's just another option not really doing anything but helping other businesses..

Kindly discuss the actual topic if you want to discuss anything, Thank you.

It *is* the topic of the thread. *I* am not, and neither is your crusade against search gaming.