For active forum moderation, vote WEB-448

I do agree with that, there does need to be someone to read the riot act occasionally.But I would prefer the moderation to be extremely transparent, even erring on the side of letting a few troll by, thamn locking down every time someone says Boo. Also while I don't think LL would close the Forum out of any sense of vindictiveness, it would be in their minds a business decision, and as some may know I am not a great fan of their track record business wise, in the year and a day that I've been here. So in that spirit, I'll add my name to the yay column on this one, when I get home. JIRA is just way too slow to deal with on this machine.

I read the Riot Act several times and I can't make heads or tails out of it.

::agrees wholeheartedly::

voted and commented.

I'm glad they got Aki on here, but I think forum moderation is a time sink for Linden staff, they get less out of it than they pay the person to do... but if there were a few people that were active and monitoring for free (ResMods) who reported extreme cases / review actions, the Linden(s) handling it would be free from some of the time sink and thus more effective.

voted. But I must point out this thread is misposted here in Resident Answers and should have been in Feature Suggestions.

*ducks and runs*

You need to have it read to you by someone else to have it make sense.

Preferably by a parent.

Seriously though, I'd like to see that whole list of mods down at the bottom of the screen revamped. I haven't seen 99% of those people at all here.

It's not a big deal to have a decent moderator, and not hard at all to appoint one. It's good to see that LL is starting to take an active interest in the community again (re: banking) but LL itself seems like it's stepped away from being a part of its own creation.

Oh, okay. I'll try that, then.

Thanks, Brenda.

Voted, too.

Can someone please explain to me why people are still posting in that thread? Please, folks, talk about self moderation. Let it die!

As for the JIRA, I voted for it but with great hesitation. I am in agreement with it because I think we are seeing things slowly chipping away and I'd hate to see the trend continue. This forum needs moderation.

The hesitancy was because I don't want LL to just throw their hands up over the whole deal and say "just shut the damn thing down".

Qie and I spent some time inworld with Lindens today. More discussions to come, but so far, I'm happy to say that I don't see a risk of this.

Early days but ... not unpromising.

Having to have payment info on file in order to access the forums reduces some of the problems the forums had in the past.

Without the payment info on file requirement we'd see forum posts with a nature similar to the inworld griefing attacks that have been so prevalent for months.

This is a great point SueC. I learned today that that was done at the same time that the General forum was disbanded, true?

Would you ... or anyone ... see a problem with non-payment-info residents being able to read (not post in) the forums? That was mentioned today as one objection to using the forums more fully for mentor/volunteer coordination.

I think all should be able to at least read the Forum, it can contain info that may get someone to join, or an unverified to go further in.

I think it would be acceptable to allow non payment users to read the forums.

Part of the problem that LL has with these forums is that they have to modify the default vBulletin code in order to customize things, and they don't want to spend money on that, and no one finds it interesting to work on, so it doesn't get done.

I personally have no objection to everyone that is an SL member in good standing being able to read the forums. I have a suspicion that there is some reason why that is not as easy to implement as it seems. I believe that vBulletin has in the past had security problems that didn't require posting privileges in order to take advantage of, such as putting crooked vBcode code in one's signature, or even in one's homepage link and other such places.

Do we really need someone to look over us? Someone to hold our hands to make sure we behave? I think not.

Slightly tangential, to anyone up-to-speed on the new authentication API stuff (sorta single sign-on, as I understand it) : is there anything meaningful to say about how the forums are to be integrated with that, and can its introduction be productively tied together with an upgrade of vBulletin and its customizations?

Also, by any chance are there among the residents any experts on the inner workings of vBulletin to the level that they could offer assistance in updating customizations LL has implemented for the forums? I don't know that LL would be willing to share anything anyway, and would surely have to scrutinize any contributions, but maybe just the offer would be helpful, if anyone was in a position to make it.

as I remember it there is a loophole by which anyone that can read the forums can post to them, even if limited by the vBulletin software. supposedly when/if the forums are upgraded to kill the previous security loop hole of exposing user account information, they'll also be able to implement read only access... something I'd love to see. it may also have to do with limiting exposure of the forums to non-residents... with past problems a forum full or people making complaints isn't something LL really wants to show the outside world.

I do think having on file info is a small price to pay for being able to post, although it is a bit more strict than most official forums

You were with Lindens? Did you get pictures? I didn't think they still existed.

Thank you both for taking action. That is good news to hear.

I have appreciated the light touch lately.

I've enjoyed participating in two very interesting (and lengthy) threads - the one on anonymity, and another one, I forget what it was now.

It was nice to be able to talk without feeling like a bad child for actually discussing something.

And - I hate to point this out - but presumably (and ironically) this very thread should not be posted at all, under a less light touch.

I'm not crazy about going back to the place where it couldn't be.

coco

Who says the forum is no longer being moderated?. Is it because that somebody typed the word "turd" in thread #343566 and lived the tell the tale that people are assuming that there is no moderation?.

If I was a moderator then I would ban the people that get upset by the stupidest of things. Not out of spite, but in order to protect them. It must be hard when you've been raised in a ball of cotton wool and then suddenly find yourelf being exposed to the nasty words on an internet forum.

Strife had a very light touch for months, but was always demonized because Strife is Strife. The slightest slip of showing any humor, and Strife would be called unprofessional. Plenty of posts like these went on for pages and pages before locking. And when the lock came, people were outraged. I think that was ridiculous. Very few posts were unjustly locked, but if you reasoned with Strife like a human being, you could get it reopened. I know I did that on more than one occasion.

I don't want a touch lighter than Strife's in here, but perhaps Aki sees fit to let RA have the super light touch - I've seen Aki show up in other forums than this one. That may please some of you, but it does not please me because the nonsense that is best exemplified by Jumpman's thread is precisely why the forum needs some level of moderation other than zero.

Have you (plural you) reported that thread?

coco

Sounds like Amber, or she said the same thing to me a few weeks back anyway .

I still don't think the forums should be open access to all. It doesn't cost anything to put payment info on file. There are few enough benefits as it is, that shouldn't be eroded even further.

yes, post #1 as off topic and trolling. crickets are chirping.