Clubwatch

Sooo,
It's NOT a Blacklist

Thanks for Clearing that up.

On a Grander "Subscription" scale however, Vetting the Validity of a proposed Ban breaks down, so Many times Innocent people Find themselves Black Listed for No Good reason.

Correct

You are welcome


There's that "b" word again

Can you tell me anywhere I said a that it's a system to ban people? It's a simple "Heads up" system which allows club owners to be one step ahead of potential problems. If we all get a report from several clubs that comeone is going around cauing major disruption within a short period of time, there is a high cance that any of the rest of us in the group may be targetted next. If that person appears at the club, you know there is potential for that person to cause disruption.

There is no perminant list, and there is certainly no intention for club owner to automatically ban these people.

Gomez

I have little respect for a post that deliberately takes the person it is quoting out of context in such a way.

I'm sorry - it was a "tongue in cheek" post to a sarcastic reply

Gomez

Before Dictionary round 2

Please tell me what members of the watch list do when they hear about a griefer via the group?

Blacklist..............person marked and "convicted'.

Watchlist.............person to be watched for possible reasons of concern.

Simple and rather incomplete...........but, in a nutshell, the basic difference. It's not really so hard to understand. Can't figure why you want such specifics........unless you want to run to your wikki again to "disprove" me.

Oh yeah, the wikki is a work in progress.......dictionaries are works done.

There's another one to argue over.................LOL.

i would think, that if an avatar is being seriously disruptive in a club, and i'm going to make a distinction here between full out greifing and being a jerk, that the club owners would IM the WL and say: Avatar123 was here shooting the place up and orbiting people. we managed to eject/ban them and they may be headed your way.

if an avatar is just being a jerk(harassin the female patrons for sex, prim penor waving, deliberate nudity in a non nudity area) the 3 strikes rule from the host or owner(if they are there) is sufficient. usually the jerk level can be handled by the owners or staff of club personally without the need to im another club about it.

peggy don't. remember there are those who would rather be "right" than see the difference in syntax.

It isn't a question of syntax at all, one of definition. Peggy simply posted a definition of what a blacklist is claiming that is what a blacklist is truly, neglected to actually read what she posted, and then claims is something entirely the opposite of what she defined it to be.

Even you've concurred with it "A list of persons or organizations that have incurred disapproval or suspicion"

I happen to agree with that definition of blacklist, but you've yet to show how this is anything but a list of persons that have incurred disapproval or suspicion.

after re reading the OP original post, i did not see a mention of any list being made. i apologise to the OP for misunderstanding his orignal intentions which is not a list, black or otherwise. its an early advance warning to other club owners and or manangers via im, regarding those who wish to have their tony montana moments, or who disrupt the group chat with nonsense and spam.


sorry Gomez, and to the posters for helping to lead the thread astray with my addition to the misinterpetation of the OP's post.

A list by any other name... I think there was no misinterpretation that he intended that names of suspicious individuals be exchanged. Sending names via IM hardly makes it any less a list.

If you want to do this, at least be honest enough to admit it is a blacklist, and go from there.

From the original post 'The aim is to allow club owners to join the group, and be able to report and recieve advance information about "problem" visitors.'

Yup, that's a blacklist.

A list by any other name... I think there was no misinterpretation that he intended that names of suspicious individuals be exchanged. Sending names via IM hardly makes it any less a list.

If you want to do this, at least be honest enough to admit it is a blacklist, and go from there.

From the original post 'The aim is to allow club owners to join the group, and be able to report and recieve advance information about "problem" visitors.'

Yup, that's a blacklist.

ok i give. my mother always told me never argue with a brick wall, you will be the one who ends up with the headache. have a good day!
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To bad she didn't teach you how to put forward a reasoned argument instead. You might find yourself running into fewer brick walls.

a reason argument? im sorry i wasn't here to argue. just offer my opinion. if thats what you were after. sorry to disappoint again. what i have learned is no matter what you say it can be misinterpeted. if you wish to continue to see it as a blacklist, then that is your right to. i don't see it as such, and thats my right to. whether you agree with it or not.
i don't pretend to be a rhodes scholar when i post, nor is it my intention to get into "arguments", though i see sometimes i do. again, if somethign is not to your liking, don't participate in it. nor should you put another down because thier mode of communication is not up to your standards. this post of yours was unnecessarily insulting. my post was not aimed at you but at the turn was goin in general.

the OP is calling for the latter, not the former. your refusal to see the difference is argumentative and not productive to this thread.

Gomez hun, you can say its not a blacklist til you are blue in the face. thier are those who are determined to see it as they see fit.

peggy don't. remember there are those who would rather be "right" than see the difference in syntax.

I am unsure if this will be considered reliable, if just anyone can join especially.

Because that is personal opinion. Obviously 15 other people did not agree with you. what is being discussed here is a list of people that come to these establishments wearing penises, caging, sound and texture spamming, pushing and being a asshat for the fun of it.

I am a avid club goer. I consider myself a good Sl citizen and am respectful of others, their rights and property. Even when I disagree with them. Here are some of the reasons I have been banned from clubs:

1. I asked about a missing Xploder payout (nicely).
2. I was not activily playing a game.
3. I was causing too much lag. (I had no bling or scripts)
4. I was an Xploder hunter. (the owner had an online Xploder, what did he expect?)
5. I won too much.
6. I did not answer an IM from the manager, right away.
7. I was sitting some place the manager didn't like.

There are some owners out there who ban first and think later.
There are also some power abusing managers, who don't realize the damage they
are doing to the club's reputation.

When I am treated with disrespect, I simply leave and don't come back and I tell all my friends. I don't worry about clubs that treat their customers this way. They usually don't last very long.

I am sympathetic to the owner's problems. There are a lot of trouble makers out there, but a least in SL they can't easly wreak the place. There aren't a lot of bar fights in SL.

If I were a club owner I would not subscribe to any type of shared ban list. It's just too risky to the clubs reputation.

OK the point of Clubwatch IS NOT TO BAN but to warn. Your points to us don't seem worth warning other clubs about, but we are talking about cages, 10 metre high balloons, orbitting etc. We don't want to ban everyone, just let other clubs have names of people we find griefing and let THEM deal with it THEIR way. Its just a way of warning other clubs etc. And MAYBE, just MAYBE getting some sort of club community together.

Titania x

Yep that way if you own a club and get the warning you can either

a) do nothing
b) keep a suspicious eye out for the griefer with your finger on the trigger.

or

c) Ban them pre-emptively, guilty or not.


We really need this system!!!

Yes there may be people out there being accused of something that haven't done, but that is why we said we don't want to BAN everyone, just let others keep an eye out and make up their own minds. Whats wrong with that?

Titania x