Dept. of Public Works: Full Speed Ahead

Then it would seem that some confusion has existed for a very long time on the nature of infohubs: the long-gone Sami Infohub, which used to be my rezzing in spot back in early 2006, was no more than a 1/4 sim in size, and likely smaller. Nevertheless, the area was dotted with chairs and tables, and other such items which certainly gave the impression it was a gathering place.

Gathering for newbies is good in my opinion, because it would be bad logging in to find noone in all the sims around you. At least if there are other newbs you get to pass information and learn from each other.
Infofubs are working fine in my view doing this now, just need to get rid of the idiots somehow, or just learn to live with them.

Having a volunteer be able to eject/ban/freeze/return prims on certain Linden public builds has been asked for and discussed to death countless times at monthly meetings, office hours, small impromptu groups, etc. It always comes down to the fact that they really don't ever want to give one resident more "power" than the next.

These infohubs are public property, a concept I despise, so if the public decides to gather there how can it be misuse?

No they're not. They're Linden property. Owned and maintained by LL. Therefore, LL can do whatever the hell they want to with it, including setting up house managers.

Qie stop trying to make this a one-sim issue. Your observations, fabrications or accusations nonwithstanding - the facts are the facts- unsupervised InfoHubs have become uncontrollable greifer and loiterering hand outs ACROSS THE GRID....

They are public in that they are open to all and are owned by the "government". If they were owned by the residents this would not be a problem. But then I would do away with all Linden owned land, replacing it with private ownership.

This whole debate is just a prime example of the tragedy of the commons.

Exactly! Since it IS a commons, and we all know that the lowest common denominator always wins on the commons (aka griefers) then LL needs to maintain order. It needs to manage the commons, regardless of how icky that sounds. I'd rather a mentor hang out and eject people now and then instead of letting the whole place sink into the mire of Yet Another InfoHub.

As the "government" LL has an obligation to maintain order. We pay our membership dues and our tier fees like good little citizens. Let's see something besides Windlight come out of it. LOL. I sound like a democrat.

The government can never maintain order as well as a private owner. It is a matter of care.

Thus its demise. The disgusted land owners and the exhausted Lindens that had to wade through the massive amount of ARs generated from that infohub finally gave up the ghost. There are few more infoHubs that have been quietly closed after residents complained loudly enough.

Thus its demise. The disgusted land owners and the exhausted Lindens that had to wade through the massive amount of ARs generated from that infohub finally gave up the ghost. There are few more infoHubs that have been quietly closed after residents complained loudly enough.

Believe me, they are not helping anyone. They are just standing around trying to look cool telling fart jokes.

That's not true, at least not for all of them. The infohub in Violet is "home" to lots of residents. They formed their own Violet Infohub group and all seem to know each other. They log in and chat there. They seem to be... I don't know... friends?

The government can never maintain order as well as a private owner. It is a matter of care.

They greet new people arriving to the Infohub, offer them membership to their infohub 'friend' group and hang out enjoying each other's company. And when this group's numbers grow to 50 or 100 and a large percentage of the members come to see their friends in their favorite hang-out - what are the tier paying residents in the sim suppose to do? Wait in the adjoining sim and feel the love?

The government can never maintain order as well as a private owner. It is a matter of care.

An infohub (like the old telehubs) is the equivalant of a RL town center or busy train station or airport

If one takes off in your sim you are out of luck.

February 18th, 2008 at 1:06 PM PST @Ann Otoole: No elitism intended Ann, the request for references was more about looking for those with experience as the first project is potentially complex but I take your point. We should definitely allow as many people to get involved as we can, this is just a start.

@Maximilliano: As per my previous comment, the Linden staff involved in LDPW are part of support and aren’t involved in fixing bugs or coding. This project doesn’t take any resource away from development at all.

@Bradley: Agreed, seems a lot of people want more roads so we’ll look to see where we can get involved there. We have some long stretches of greenway that were originally intended for roads but we’ve found that not everyone living alongside them wants roads instead. But yes, we’ll look at it again.

@Di Jun: Good point re. visionaries. For some of the larger public areas we intend opening it up for residents to suggest what is created there. Should be interesting to see what suggestions we get!

@Damanios: Apologies if it seems a little vague right now. The work will vary a lot I expect, from tree planting to whole regions of content. Timeframes will similarly depend on the projects, but we do want quality so rushing things wouldn’t make sense. We’ll try to update the knowledge base with more detailed information very soon including rates, projects and who is involved.

@maelstrom: We’ll be sticking to the same region prim limit of 15,000, so no change there, although city areas as you may know are double prim at the parcel level which we manage by offsetting using Linden land with few prims on it (something private estate owners can do also)

Jack Linden responds to SOME blog posts - but does not respond to any concerns about overcrowding sims with unsupervised Linden 'Folly' builds.

And here it is again - for those that don't read the prior posts in a thread:
Further clarification: One sim infoHubs were never intended to be gathering places.

Jack Linden responds to SOME blog posts - but does not respond to any concerns about overcrowding sims with unsupervised Linden 'Folly' builds.

For obvious reasons, I dun go to the clubs -- but even if I wasn't playin' a kid, I'd have little interest in the average SL club. Mostly because, well, they *are* average. So few of them put in the effort to be unique or special.
Land/building/dance floor/dance ball/music stream/spinny lights/tip jar... ta da! Instant club. But how does that club stand out from the other 25,000 clubs out there? What makes it a place people *want* to come to? Why are there some clubs out there that have existed for months, even years, while the vast majority are gone in weeks?
Note that I'm not saying that clubs are inherently bad. There is an active interest in clubs in SL, and there are many that do well. Simply that there are a lot that... well... aren't all that great.
Ya ever notice that when discussions come up here about the "best" places in SL, how you dun usually see a club name listed? You see Greenies Home, Straylight, Svarga, Livingtree, Black Swan, Commonwealth Island, etc. -- but "Bob's party club" is strangely absent.
Mari