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Step by Step: How to Transfer Land

Skye Whitcroft
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02-02-2008 17:35
From: Sophie Katsu
Hi Skye....thank you so much for helping others by posting and attending this thread. I have a question for you or anyone who may know about joining new land to group owned deeded land. I just want to make sure we don't mess something up and cause our deeded Shoutcast board to stop working.


There are some tricky things to deeded objects that you should read up on before doing any of this. I am *not* an expert on objects, but if you join SL Land Answers Unlimited, at least one person there will know the ins and outs.

From: Sophie Katsu
Our club land is group owned, deeded to the group containing my husband and myself as owners and our staff, who are not owners or officers. The new land we just acquired is still just in my husband's name. He did not buy it for group but bought it as an individual. We want to join it to the club land. From what I understand from reading http://land-answers.wiki.zoho.com/How-do-I-join-and-split-land.html&pid=50045000000002015 ,it's impossible to join the two anyway unless my husband makes it group owned first, is that right?


Yes

From: Sophie Katsu
So he needs to deed the new land to the club group and then join the two parcels?


Yes

From: Sophie Katsu
Or does he just set it to group and join it if it lets him, by selecting the original land first and then the new land will take on all the settings (including being deeded?) of the original land? We are on not on mainland.


To join land, the ownership must be the same. Land which is set to group, but not deeded to group, isn't owned by the group. Therefore, the land cannot be joined until it is all deeded to group. Mainland/private estate is not a factor in this situation.

Good luck!

--Skye
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Sophie Katsu
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02-03-2008 12:58
Thank you very much for your answers, Skye. For now, we've decided to wait on joining the land, since just making it group owned combines the prims without joining it.

In the event we do want the same music on all the land, we now know how to join it, so thanks again. For right now, we think we might like being able to set different music on the new land, which we've made into a little park.
Beat Imako
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How do you post land for sale in Search?
08-04-2008 07:35
This post did a fine job of telling me how to transfer land. My question is, where is the info. on how to sell land once you have it. I tried to post land for sale in the 'Land Sales' tab but there is nothing there. Has anyone written something for first time sellers regarding how to go about selling once you are an owner. Word of mouth only travels so far. Thanks for any light you might shed, or pointers you might provide.
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08-06-2008 05:32
From: Skye Whitcroft
Thank you for your post, Akayda. This helps me to clarify why I've detailed the steps as I have written them.

If you have plenty of tier, both for group and yourself, you can indeed simply sell the land to yourself for nothing and remove tier from group.

The problem you are not anticipating with your suggestion is this:

Let's say you have only 512sqm of tier. You've donated all of this tier to a group and put your land in the group.

Now, you want to remove your land from the group.

If you try to sell to yourself without taking the tier out of the group first, you will be bumped up to the next tier level.

The steps I have outlined in my post will ensure that you are not bumped up to a new tier level and pay a higher land tier fee.

I am very sorry for your bad experience. I hope my suggestions help you going forward.

Kind Regards,

Skye


And this from one who has running his own bots to grab land from ingenious peoples. Very appreciatefull tips, never trust a "ninja" to sell land. :eek:
Bhakta Thor
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08-14-2008 07:23
From: Raymond Figtree
land-answers.wiki.zoho.com

SuezanneC B. has taken the time to put together a wiki page of our own for those seeking land answers or seeking to give them.

T.


Thank you, I see I looked here too late. I transfered land incorrectly and will have to pay a month at a higher tier. This seems very unfair considering that when I buy land, the increase is shown immediately in my account but when I sell land, the change shows up at the end of the month!
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09-05-2008 22:24
There is a new Support Page for Land Questions:

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417

Check it out!
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DeAndre Inglewood
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09-08-2008 20:46
sorry if this in the wrong section, but how can u tell if u have a private sim or if u just have an entire region ??
Skye Whitcroft
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09-09-2008 15:04
From: DeAndre Inglewood
sorry if this in the wrong section, but how can u tell if u have a private sim or if u just have an entire region ??


Right click on the land > about land > covenant tab

Mainland says it is mainland, private sims name a resident as estate owner.
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KaneHusky Landar
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03-13-2009 10:17
Thank you so much for this! I've been trying to think of a way to transfer my land to a different group without having to up my tier.
Bhakta Thor
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doing it in the right order
03-13-2009 10:53
From: KaneHusky Landar
Thank you so much for this! I've been trying to think of a way to transfer my land to a different group without having to up my tier.

Be very careful the order in which you transfer land. If you buy the land back from the group, before you remove your share of the tier payment, you may put yourself into a higher tier. The best thing to do is to remove your portion of the tier payment first, then purchase the land back from the group, which you have set for sell to yourself only.

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06-09-2009 06:01
Hi.

I'm afraid I'm lost in a sea of words, here. I know it must all seem simple once a person understands it. But I don't, as yet, understand it.

Questions.

1. If a person must be in a group that has the land deeded to it, in order to successfully use a landmark and get into a skybox - then how is it possible for renters to do this, without then taking the group's land? Also, how is it possible for POTENTIAL renters to use a landmark to a skybox, to look at it before even joining the group?

Yet if I give a landmark to a friend for a skybox, they land on the ground below. Every time. What's up.

2. How is it that deeding land to a group does not result in raised tier for everyone? How does one avoid this? What is the ten percent about? People mention it, but what is it? How do you get it, if it's good or avoid it, if it's bad? thanks

3. Is there a formula for maximising available land for as little tier as possible?

4. If one decides to rent to a friend for a nominal amount, merely to allow them to put in their own tv, set home, etc., how does one go about that? Essentially giving owner privileges without their owning the land? As landlords seem to do with renters, 'buy land for 1L then pay tier' type of thing...only without tier, and without their being able to truly own and therefore RESELL land.

Any help welcome, thanks. I did read the thread. I just don't get it... :P
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06-09-2009 06:17
From: Melita Magic
Hi.

I'm afraid I'm lost in a sea of words, here. I know it must all seem simple once a person understands it. But I don't, as yet, understand it.

Questions.

1. If a person must be in a group that has the land deeded to it, in order to successfully use a landmark and get into a skybox - then how is it possible for renters to do this, without then taking the group's land? Also, how is it possible for POTENTIAL renters to use a landmark to a skybox, to look at it before even joining the group?

Yet if I give a landmark to a friend for a skybox, they land on the ground below. Every time. What's up.

2. How is it that deeding land to a group does not result in raised tier for everyone? How does one avoid this? What is the ten percent about? People mention it, but what is it? How do you get it, if it's good or avoid it, if it's bad? thanks

3. Is there a formula for maximising available land for as little tier as possible?

4. If one decides to rent to a friend for a nominal amount, merely to allow them to put in their own tv, set home, etc., how does one go about that? Essentially giving owner privileges without their owning the land? As landlords seem to do with renters, 'buy land for 1L then pay tier' type of thing...only without tier, and without their being able to truly own and therefore RESELL land.

Any help welcome, thanks. I did read the thread. I just don't get it... :P

Be careful how you set up the group, that is the most important thing. Your ownership of the land can be affected by how you set up the group. Check the abilities tabs very carefully and if you are the owner of the group, do not share those privileges with anyone else..you will also be the one paying the tier. I think the two most important items are who can sell the land tab, and who can create roles tab. The only way I know to max the land is to see what the max is for the tier you are paying and try to buy that much land. It is confusing though because you have to check the land you own as well as the group land you are paying tier for. There are lots of ways to let your friends use your land. If you vigilant, just check their prim usage and return anything that should not be there.
Elanthius Flagstaff
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06-09-2009 22:40
From: Melita Magic
Hi.

I'm afraid I'm lost in a sea of words, here. I know it must all seem simple once a person understands it. But I don't, as yet, understand it.

Questions.

1. If a person must be in a group that has the land deeded to it, in order to successfully use a landmark and get into a skybox - then how is it possible for renters to do this, without then taking the group's land? Also, how is it possible for POTENTIAL renters to use a landmark to a skybox, to look at it before even joining the group?

Yet if I give a landmark to a friend for a skybox, they land on the ground below. Every time. What's up.

2. How is it that deeding land to a group does not result in raised tier for everyone? How does one avoid this? What is the ten percent about? People mention it, but what is it? How do you get it, if it's good or avoid it, if it's bad? thanks

3. Is there a formula for maximising available land for as little tier as possible?

4. If one decides to rent to a friend for a nominal amount, merely to allow them to put in their own tv, set home, etc., how does one go about that? Essentially giving owner privileges without their owning the land? As landlords seem to do with renters, 'buy land for 1L then pay tier' type of thing...only without tier, and without their being able to truly own and therefore RESELL land.

Any help welcome, thanks. I did read the thread. I just don't get it... :P


I don't think your premise for #1 is correct. I think you need to go to right click on the land > about land > set a landing point and then change the teleport routing. Then non-group members have no choice but to land at the landing point.

Someone in the group must already have donated spare tier in order for land to be deeded to the group (or have done it while in process of deeding). SL does not allow land to pass into the group without sufficient tier. The 'group bonus 10%' is automatically given. If I want to put 512sqm of land in a group, I only need 466sqm of tier.

The formula to maximize tier. I guess the simplest way is to put all the tier in the group and then buy the maximum land SL's game engine will allow. On the 'Land & L$' tab you can see the sqm of tier you donate and just above it "land available". Play there.

Mainland rentals - to tenants or friends - have to be done through groups, and then the tenant's power are set through the group. I make my tenants officers in the group after removing the ability to sell land and the ability to abandon land.

Hope that helps.
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Zen Zeddmore
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10-06-2009 15:21
so just to make absolutely certain...
If I as the owner of a group am the only one set up for any linden dollar or land transactions, then when I sell the land I'm the only only in the group that gets the money for the sale. Correct?
The situation is.. I have 16,000 land on a sim and a group with a few members. I have not set any teir for the group. What I want to do is deed the land to the group without upping my teir and without the risk of the sale of that land eventually going to be split between the group members. No other group members will be donating land or teir to the holdings. I get scared when I see a warning that deeding will make it so that the sale of this land will be split between all group members. Will I only get a fraction of the money when I sell my land?
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10-06-2009 18:07
From: Zen Zeddmore
so just to make absolutely certain...
If I as the owner of a group am the only one set up for any linden dollar or land transactions, then when I sell the land I'm the only only in the group that gets the money for the sale. Correct?
The situation is.. I have 16,000 land on a sim and a group with a few members. I have not set any teir for the group. What I want to do is deed the land to the group without upping my teir and without the risk of the sale of that land eventually going to be split between the group members. No other group members will be donating land or teir to the holdings. I get scared when I see a warning that deeding will make it so that the sale of this land will be split between all group members. Will I only get a fraction of the money when I sell my land?


Hi Zen

If you do not want to share the funds from the sale with the group 'that you own'...

then be sure none of the members in your group have the "Pay group liabilities and receive group dividends" check-marked under the Roles tab > Allowed Abilities box. This will direct all funds from group land sales to the owner of the group, or the one who is solely responsible for group liabilities too.

As for deeding the land to group, you should be okay if you check-mark the "Owner Makes Contribution With Deed". You will of course have a 10% bonus in tier. I would set Autoreturn to 0 before you click the Deed button.
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10-06-2009 19:07
Thank you . I suspected as much but one can always be a little unsure. Thanks for the tip on auto return. I would not have thought of that.
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10-07-2009 04:16
From: Zen Zeddmore
Thank you . I suspected as much but one can always be a little unsure. Thanks for the tip on auto return. I would not have thought of that.

ALso make sure that you do not set permission for any member to sell the land and do not leave the group yourself...I did that.
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10-14-2009 12:32
From: Bhakta Thor
ALso make sure that you do not set permission for any member to sell the land and do not leave the group yourself...I did that.
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One way to help avoid these problems are to create an alt and make that alt another owner of the group. If it is an alt that pretty much never logs in, then the chance of the alt leaving the group accidentally is slim. Then the alt, as owner, can always invite you back in.
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10-15-2009 06:30
From: LittleMe Jewell
One way to help avoid these problems are to create an alt and make that alt another owner of the group. If it is an alt that pretty much never logs in, then the chance of the alt leaving the group accidentally is slim. Then the alt, as owner, can always invite you back in.

Maybe I need a dummy alt just for that purpose. My alt has also left the group! It is scary that you can easily hit the wrong button and abandon your land, or deed it to the wrong group!
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11-12-2009 16:47
I hope this is the correct thread in which to ask questions. I have two major questions, one about deeding land, one about the mysterious numbers on the land fees section of the web site.

1.) I own about 16,500m2 of land in three separate sims, two on mainland and one on Zindra. I pay tier to LL. My holdings put me slightly above my target tier (below 16,384), and as I understand it, the group bonus could bring me under that target. So I'd like to donate some/all of it to a group.

In fact, I already have a group consisting of me and two alts. About a year ago, I donated one of my mainland parcels (4112m2) to this group. But I can't seem to increase the size of the land-donation I wish to make. That is, I can't do step 1 in the first post in this thread, which says to click group info, go to land/$ tab, change "your contribution" to the amount you wish to contribute. When I do this, the 'your contribution' field reverts to the existing number (4112) after I click apply. Why is this? Do the other two plots have to be adjacent to the one that's already been donated to the group? Is the Zindra plot ineligible? Should I just create a second group? That seems wasteful, especially as I'd like to make yet another group to support my shop's sales.


2.) Also, I am at a loss to understand the land fees in my account on the website. I had been assuming that after the Zindra swap, I still wasn't being charged my higher tier -- but when I looked at my monthly statement, I realized I am being charged. Can anyone help explain these numbers to me? I see this under "current fees":

Square meters owned: 12800
Square meters donated: 4112
Premium Bonus in Square Meters: 512
Paid Tier Level: 8192
Available Square Meters: 4592
Monthly Cost:* USD 40.00

And yet my actual monthly cost is $125. Now, I understand that the info isn't accounting for group charges -- but why doesn't it show me those somewhere?

To add to my confusion, the site also says: "You can acquire up to -8208 square meters without additional land use fees." And after this, the site indicates I'm at the $40 tier, when in fact I'm being charged $125. Erm, I can add up to negative 8208?

Surely LL could be clearer about this? Can anyone explain to me what all this means?
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11-12-2009 19:08
From: Ricky Shaftoe




Square meters owned: 12800
Square meters donated: 4112
Premium Bonus in Square Meters: 512
Paid Tier Level: 8192
Available Square Meters: 4592
Monthly Cost:* USD 40.00

And yet my actual monthly cost is $125. Now, I understand that the info isn't accounting for group charges -- but why doesn't it show me those somewhere?



Surely LL could be clearer about this? Can anyone explain to me what all this means?

It could be a matter of timing. LL will charge you for the full month if you sell in the middle. Whatever your tier is at your monthly anniversary, I think
Ricky Shaftoe
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11-13-2009 07:49
Thanks for your reply. Hmm, maybe.

Anyone have any advice on my first question? Why can't I increase the amount of land I donate to my group? Is it this problem (quoting from the first post in this thread):

From: someone
Known issue:
If you have a parcel that used to be owned just by one owner and is now to be group land, there is sometimes an issue with being able to allocate land to a group as the system is seeing the owner as trying to own double the land as opposed to trying to change his or her allocation.


Surely this happens all the time --every parcel was solely-owned once. Is there a workaround?

EDIT: I may have an answer to my own question -- i.e., why can't I increase the amount of land (tier) I donate to my group. My tier page says I'm at the $40 tier, but I'm now holding far more land than that. I want to be at the $75 tier, but I can't seem to increase it manually. Could this be the reason I can't contribute more land (tier) to my group? Is a workaround to use the Owner Makes Contribution With Deed box?

Also, what happens to the objects on my land when I donate the land to the group -- I hope the objects remain mine?

Finally, should I be asking all these questions in a separate thread? I'm tempted to do so, but I hate to double-post.
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