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Step by Step: How to Transfer Land

Pocket Pfeffer
Vide Cor Meum
Join date: 19 May 2007
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08-25-2007 20:38
Hi all,

I'm not really up to speed on land transferrals, but I was just wondering whether or not it was possible to sell land for 0$ to someone if they have a basic account?

Thanks,
Pocket
Skye Whitcroft
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08-26-2007 06:20
From: Pocket Pfeffer
Hi all,

I'm not really up to speed on land transferrals, but I was just wondering whether or not it was possible to sell land for 0$ to someone if they have a basic account?

Thanks,
Pocket


Hi Pocket,

You cannot sell mainland to anyone with a basic account. (I get fuzzy on estate land. I think you could sell private/covenant/estate land to a basic account holder for $0L)

In order to hold land, you must be a premium member. At $9.95/month, you can own 512sqm without paying an additional tier charge each month. If you want more than 512sqm you have to pay according to Linden Lab's land owning structure found here:

https://secure-web10.secondlife.com/whatis/landpricing.php

I hope this helps.

--Skye
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Vide Cor Meum
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08-27-2007 05:18
From: Skye Whitcroft
Hi Pocket,

You cannot sell mainland to anyone with a basic account. (I get fuzzy on estate land. I think you could sell private/covenant/estate land to a basic account holder for $0L)

In order to hold land, you must be a premium member. At $9.95/month, you can own 512sqm without paying an additional tier charge each month. If you want more than 512sqm you have to pay according to Linden Lab's land owning structure found here:

https://secure-web10.secondlife.com/whatis/landpricing.php

I hope this helps.

--Skye


Thanks Skye, that clears it up for me. My second really dumb question is what's the difference in mainland vs. Island/private. I have 2048 sqm of land and to be honest, I've no clue if it's mainland or not, well I think it's island. Let's say it's island, could I subdivide it, and sell it to a couple of alts for 0L$ , and would that reduce my tier fee? Sorry for being so unclear about it all, just that I'm a little confused myself...lol

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Skye Whitcroft
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How to tell if it's private vs. mainland.
08-27-2007 06:12
From: Pocket Pfeffer
Thanks Skye, that clears it up for me. My second really dumb question is what's the difference in mainland vs. Island/private. I have 2048 sqm of land and to be honest, I've no clue if it's mainland or not, well I think it's island. Let's say it's island, could I subdivide it, and sell it to a couple of alts for 0L$ , and would that reduce my tier fee? Sorry for being so unclear about it all, just that I'm a little confused myself...lol

Pocket


Hey Pocket,

It's easy to tell if you have mainland or private island land. If you 'bought' the land but pay regular tier or rental payments to another SL player, it's private. If you have a premium SL account and pay LL a land tier fee, it's mainland.

Also, to determine if it's private land, right click on the land and choose 'about land'. Go to the covenant tab and see if there's anything in there. If there's a covenant; it's private land. If there's nothing there, it's mainland.

If it's mainland, your alts would have to tier up and become premium to hold the land even if they are only paying $0 for the land.

Best of luck!
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Vide Cor Meum
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A Big Thankyou
08-28-2007 04:46
Hi Skye

Just wanted to thank you for all the helpful information, it's so very kind of you to give of your time helping others in their land problems. Thanks again for clarifying some issues for me.

Pocket
Yrrek Gran
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Join date: 20 Oct 2006
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Same problem as #48 post
09-04-2007 14:13
Trying to combine 2 parcels, 2048 mine, and 2048 my sister's that are set to and deeded to my group.

No workie!

Oh Skye! A little help here? Pleeze! :)
Skye Whitcroft
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09-04-2007 22:49
From: Yrrek Gran
Trying to combine 2 parcels, 2048 mine, and 2048 my sister's that are set to and deeded to my group.

No workie!

Oh Skye! A little help here? Pleeze! :)


IM me in the game and we'll work it out :)
Yrrek Gran
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Omg! A Live Linden!
09-05-2007 08:05
Thanks for the reply Sky BUT...............

I contacted live help and in less than 2 minutes, Teeple Linden came to my parcels to help me. REALLY! Cross my heart! On my gerbil's grave! I swear!!!

My av is kinda cute, maybe that is it? It took him 10 minutes and a restart of the sim to get it straightened out.

This ought to be made a Sticky, hehe! At least crosspost this!

Wow! Holy Cow! :)
Jillian Callahan
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09-05-2007 15:37
From: Yrrek Gran
Thanks for the reply Sky BUT...............

I contacted live help and in less than 2 minutes, Teeple Linden came to my parcels to help me. REALLY! Cross my heart! On my gerbil's grave! I swear!!!

My av is kinda cute, maybe that is it? It took him 10 minutes and a restart of the sim to get it straightened out.

This ought to be made a Sticky, hehe! At least crosspost this!

Wow! Holy Cow! :)
What was the solution?
Yrrek Gran
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Dunno!
09-06-2007 09:54
It was evidently a glitch in the sim. All of the donations and deeds were set to the correct group and would show highlighted properly.

My guess is that the "Set to group" and "Deed" were being ignored by the server, but showing correctly on the client.

Wish I could be more help. :)
Matteo Scarfiotti
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09-23-2007 04:11
Don't trade with this Guy !!!! he's a swindler !!!!
He use bots avatar for stealing people land !!!!
MrSakis Wei
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Can anyone help me with this
10-24-2007 14:29
Hi everybody, before everyone freaks out I DID read all the threads but I still can not find a solution to my problem or I dont understand it correctly.
OK here is the problem: few days ago I bought a piece of land (1024m Linden) and I wanted to share it with my friend. So I "Set" it to group and "Deeded". The default contribution of mine I think was 936m. I changed it to 1024m. The thing is that now I changed my mind and I want to sell it to get a bigger one but the "sell" option at the first tab is not available anymore. I dont know what to do. How can I sell it or how can I gain full ownership again. I really appreciate any help.
Skye Whitcroft
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10-24-2007 15:27
From: MrSakis Wei
Hi everybody, before everyone freaks out I DID read all the threads but I still can not find a solution to my problem or I dont understand it correctly.
OK here is the problem: few days ago I bought a piece of land (1024m Linden) and I wanted to share it with my friend. So I "Set" it to group and "Deeded". The default contribution of mine I think was 936m. I changed it to 1024m. The thing is that now I changed my mind and I want to sell it to get a bigger one but the "sell" option at the first tab is not available anymore. I dont know what to do. How can I sell it or how can I gain full ownership again. I really appreciate any help.


Are you an owner of the group you deeded the land to? If not, you will need an owner of the group to set the land for sale to you as the "specific user". Before you buy, make sure you remove your tier contribution from the group.
MrSakis Wei
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10-24-2007 16:44
From: Skye Whitcroft
Are you an owner of the group you deeded the land to? If not, you will need an owner of the group to set the land for sale to you as the "specific user". Before you buy, make sure you remove your tier contribution from the group.

First of all thank you for your immediate response. Yes I am founder and owner of this group. My friend (the only other member of the group) is also an owner of the group.
Please tell me what I can do to regain ownership of the land.
Skye Whitcroft
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10-25-2007 02:33
From: MrSakis Wei
First of all thank you for your immediate response. Yes I am founder and owner of this group. My friend (the only other member of the group) is also an owner of the group.
Please tell me what I can do to regain ownership of the land.


If you own the group, then follow these steps:

HOW TO: TRANSFER LAND FROM A GROUP TO INDIVIDUAL:
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1. Remove Tier Contribution from Group (if needed)
2. Transfer Land out of Group


REMOVE TIER CONTRIBUTION FROM GROUP (IF NEEDED)

Scenario: You own the full amount of land allowed by your tier level. You have some of that land in a group. You want to remove the land from group without bumping up to the next tier level.

1. Select Edit >> Groups from the menubar. The Communicate dialogue box opens to a list of your groups.

2. Highlight the group from which you want to remove tier. Click the "Info" button. The Group Information box opens.

3. Click the "Land & L$" tab.

4. In the Your Contribution box, enter zero and click "Apply".

This puts the group into negative tier and gives warning message in yellow text. It will be OK for a few minutes to have negative group tier to complete this transaction.

[N.B. You can simply sell land to yourself and tick the "remove contribution from group" box EXCEPT that if you do not already have sufficient tier to cover buying the land back out of the group, you are bumped up to the next tier level. These steps help ensure you do not incur a higher tier charge]


TRANSFER LAND OUT OF GROUP:

1. Go to the land and right-click it. Select "About Land" from the pie menu.

2. Click on the General tab.

3. Click "sell land"

4. In the new box, type in agreed price for land (can be L$0 which is the preferred amount when selling to yourself. SL will not allow you to sell land to "anyone" for L$0. SL forces you to sell to "specific person" so that is a nice safety check).

5. MOST IMPORTANT STEP!! Choose "SPECIFIC USER" from drop down box. In the new pop up box, type your own name and click on "find", then click "select"

**If you choose ANYONE from the dropdown list, and you are selling below the market price for land, you're almost guaranteed a bot will buy your land. In effect, you are telling Second Life that you are selling the land to anyone in the game for the price you have just typed and that means anyone can buy it.**

6. Choose whether you transfer the objects with the land.

7. Click "set land for sale"

8. Go to the land and right-click it. Select Buy Land from the pie menu.

9. Read the box that comes up very carefully. If there are any big, red X's (instead of green check marks), do NOT proceed. If there are green check marks, buy land from your group.
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MrSakis Wei
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ty but....
10-25-2007 21:05
From: Skye Whitcroft
If you own the group, then follow these steps:

HOW TO: TRANSFER LAND FROM A GROUP TO INDIVIDUAL:
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1. Remove Tier Contribution from Group (if needed)
2. Transfer Land out of Group


REMOVE TIER CONTRIBUTION FROM GROUP (IF NEEDED)

Scenario: You own the full amount of land allowed by your tier level. You have some of that land in a group. You want to remove the land from group without bumping up to the next tier level.

1. Select Edit >> Groups from the menubar. The Communicate dialogue box opens to a list of your groups.

2. Highlight the group from which you want to remove tier. Click the "Info" button. The Group Information box opens.

3. Click the "Land & L$" tab.

4. In the Your Contribution box, enter zero and click "Apply".

This puts the group into negative tier and gives warning message in yellow text. It will be OK for a few minutes to have negative group tier to complete this transaction.

[N.B. You can simply sell land to yourself and tick the "remove contribution from group" box EXCEPT that if you do not already have sufficient tier to cover buying the land back out of the group, you are bumped up to the next tier level. These steps help ensure you do not incur a higher tier charge]


TRANSFER LAND OUT OF GROUP:

1. Go to the land and right-click it. Select "About Land" from the pie menu.

2. Click on the General tab.

3. Click "sell land"

4. In the new box, type in agreed price for land (can be L$0 which is the preferred amount when selling to yourself. SL will not allow you to sell land to "anyone" for L$0. SL forces you to sell to "specific person" so that is a nice safety check).

5. MOST IMPORTANT STEP!! Choose "SPECIFIC USER" from drop down box. In the new pop up box, type your own name and click on "find", then click "select"

**If you choose ANYONE from the dropdown list, and you are selling below the market price for land, you're almost guaranteed a bot will buy your land. In effect, you are telling Second Life that you are selling the land to anyone in the game for the price you have just typed and that means anyone can buy it.**

6. Choose whether you transfer the objects with the land.

7. Click "set land for sale"

8. Go to the land and right-click it. Select Buy Land from the pie menu.

9. Read the box that comes up very carefully. If there are any big, red X's (instead of green check marks), do NOT proceed. If there are green check marks, buy land from your group.



I already tried this since it s very well explained at the first page of this thread.
The problem is that I can t get to step [3. Click "sell land"] because I dont get this option.
At the General tab it says: For sale: Not for sale. and under that nothing.
I am really sorry to bother you again but I think you are the only one that can help. What am I dong wrong
Skye Whitcroft
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10-25-2007 21:42
IM me in the game and we'll see if we can sort this out. I'm around after 7PM London time.
Grey Lock
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10-29-2007 06:33
I've been back to this sticky a few times for transferring land in and out of groups... and coming back for a refresher just now noticed Skye was the creator. Just wanted to say thanks Skye for some very clear directions on how to do this... haven't gone wrong following the step-by-step process laid out.

Skye helped me out last week to consolidate all my land holdings to one large plot in one sim (from various sized plots scattered across two sims)... can't say thanks enough... great to find helpful, caring folks like yourself in SL. Much appreciated! :-)
Raymond Figtree
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A Most Helpful Resource for your Land Questions!
11-11-2007 07:21
land-answers.wiki.zoho.com

SuezanneC B. has taken the time to put together a wiki page of our own for those seeking land answers or seeking to give them.

This wiki is chock full information about land in the Second Life virtual world: all originated from the Second Life Knowledge Base, 11-10-2007.

The best part is that not only can you go there to get your questions answered, but anyone at present can edit it, update it or add comments.

We will keep this open editing as long as people use the permission responsibly to add, clarify and update.

The Zoho wiki editor is WYSIWYG, easier to use than the one in the secondlife.com editor.

Thanks so much to SuezanneC for taking the initiative and the time to do this and thanks in advance to any land experts who contribute to it.
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Okiphia Rayna
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Some info on prims related to land
12-03-2007 10:20
Q:Can I increase the prim count for my land?
A:Yes, but only by buying more land within the same Sim. You cannot just 'buy prims' without buying land.

Q:Can I increase the prim count in my Sim?
A:No. 15000 is the maximum for any Sim. There are some special cases, unfortunately you aren't one (And aren't going to be one. LL Has made very few special cases out of the thousands of Sims on the grid). If you want more prims for your build, buy a neighboring Sim and spread it out across the two of them (Allowing it to have 30000, though only 15000 in each 'half').

Q:How many prims does my land have if I buy 1024? 2048? 8196?
A:Land is defaulted to 117 prims per 512m. So for each 512m, you will have 117 prims making it:
512-117
1024-234
2048-468
4096-936
and so on. There are some cases where that is not true-read on.

Q:But my friend has 512m with 234 prims!!!!
A:Your friend has land on a 'Private Sim', and its owner has allotted more prims to that parcel. They are allocated from one place in the sim to a different part, so those extra 117 prims aren't really extra. Usually double prim land costs quite a bit more L$ for the privilege. Mainland parcels will always have 117 prims per 512m. No exceptions that I know of.
Does your friend own more land in the same Sim? Land in one Sim owned by one person shares its prims, even if not physically connected. SO if you own a 512m plot in one sim, and elsewhere (In that sim) you own another 1024m, you will have 351 prims total, for use in any of that land. {{THank You Avion Raymaker}}

Q: What about temporary prims!? How can I use those to my advantage!?
A: Don't, generally. Each sim is allowed 500 temporary prims total, across every parcel. They only last a short time, so a building made of them would serve no purpose. They remain only if sat upon or selected(?). So if you don't have the prims for the chairs for a class, make some temporary, and have people sit on them immediately.

Also, temp rezzers (Some cages and other things use this. Click to rez, the item disappears after a short time until clicked again) cause lag in the sim. I don't know how much, but it's generally not friendly, so use sparingly, please. Also available are rez-on-demand items that rez items only when needed (Proximity, click, etc). They are not temp, so do use prims, however, only when they are rezzed, which can allow for more prims when that isn't in use. I assume this can cause the same lag (maybe slightly less) as a normal temp rezzer. {{Thank You Kitty Barnett!}}

Q:Can I use sculpted prims to help me save prims?
A:YES!! By all means do... they can look better as well in some situations. The only problem is that a single sculpted prim can cause more lag than around 7-8 normal prims linked. That doesn't mean that you're going to crash the sim with sculpties, just that you shouldn't use them for things that normally take only a couple prims anyway. If it uses 7+ prims and can be done with one sculpty, by all means do it.
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Pinky Vought
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Before I make this decision...
12-09-2007 11:58
I've read every page of this thread so far, and it has answered alot of my questions. Now I'm wondering if I should bother adding my land to my group.

My situation is this;

I bought land so my rl husband and I can have a home location and privacy. I purchased a 512 and a premium account, and built a skybox to fit. I made a group for us because I want to have a certain title, and so we could share the land. I am reading that he can't make it his home location unless he owns land through the group. Right now, with a lm, he can only beam to the ground below the skybox house and fly up to it. Should I just leave it at that? Or maybe use a teleporter for him to go up? Am I missing a simple solution?

I'm very confused about what the group is "allowed" to have, and what decides those factors. Does my little group need money/land? Is the group charged for owning land? And, if I add land to the group, do I have to add all of my 512, or can I add a portion for my husband to beam to as a home location within the house? Does any of this change what I pay to LL as long as I only own 512m total?

Also, what's this extra 10% credit to the group? How is that utilized? I am guessing that tiers would have to go up in order to use it?

Is my situation worth this trouble of adding land to the group and then trying to get it back in the future easily should the need occur? Or, if I want to give it to a family member in the future?

Many thanks to anyone who wishes to tackle my questions.
Pinky
Skye Whitcroft
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12-09-2007 13:31
From: Pinky Vought
I've read every page of this thread so far, and it has answered alot of my questions. Now I'm wondering if I should bother adding my land to my group.

My situation is this;

I bought land so my rl husband and I can have a home location and privacy. I purchased a 512 and a premium account, and built a skybox to fit. I made a group for us because I want to have a certain title, and so we could share the land. I am reading that he can't make it his home location unless he owns land through the group. Right now, with a lm, he can only beam to the ground below the skybox house and fly up to it. Should I just leave it at that? Or maybe use a teleporter for him to go up? Am I missing a simple solution?


[This paragraph corrected per info from Pinky vought:]
If you are both in the same group, it is not sufficient that the land is SET to group. In order for group members to "set home" to land, the land must be DEEDed to group *and* your husband must be in a role that gives power to set his home to the land. If he is an owner of the group, he has full powers over DEEDed land - even if he has a basic account.

If your husband is in a role other than Owner
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To check powers for a given role in a group, go to: Edit >> Groups >> highlight group name >> click info >> In group pop up box go to "members & roles" tab >> Go to "roles" on this tab >> highlight role he should be in (officer; everyone; etc). Make sure his name is in the box in the bottom left listing the names of the people in this role. Next scroll through the powers. Under Parcel Powers make sure the role has "allow 'Set home to here' on group land" is checked. If not, tick and click APPLY.


From: Pinky Vought
I'm very confused about what the group is "allowed" to have, and what decides those factors. Does my little group need money/land?


Nope. The group needs no money and does not have to have land. If it does have land, group members must have donated "tier" (tier is the ability to own mainland).

From: Pinky Vought
Is the group charged for owning land?


No. However if the group does not have sufficient TIER for group owned LAND, the "land & L$" tab for the group will tell you that you are negative in tier in big yellow letters. If you see this message, get tier into the group lickety split. Otherwise, the land reverts to Governor Linden ownership.

From: Pinky Vought
And, if I add land to the group, do I have to add all of my 512, or can I add a portion for my husband to beam to as a home location within the house?


If your husband has a basic account, the only way to set the land as his home is through group membership/ownership, so the question doesn't really apply.

The answer to the question you are asking, though, is that to put 512sqm of land in a group you need to put 466sqm of tier into the group [the group gets 10% land bonus so that kicks in to take you up to 512sqm].

From: Pinky Vought
Does any of this change what I pay to LL as long as I only own 512m total?


You've hit the nail on the head. This is the key question.

Think of groups this way: groups have no relationship to LL for land fees. Each individual member of a group has a billing relationship for land with LL. If everyone who has land, or who has a premium account with 512sqm of TIER (but doesn't own any land), comes together and forms a group, they all get to put the LAND and the TIER into the group and the group may own more than they each owned individually. 10% more to be precise.

From: Pinky Vought
Also, what's this extra 10% credit to the group? How is that utilized?


I hope my explanations above answered this question. The main thing is to realize that "tier" and "land" are entirely separate entities. For example, my group both buys and rents TIER as well as buying, selling and renting land. Renting TIER is an entirely separate business from renting LAND.

When people donate their TIER to my group, I get to use their ability to own land to buy and sell land myself. If someone donates 512sqm of TIER, my group gets to buy and sell 563sqm of LAND [512sqm + 51sqm bonus] with their donation.

Clear as mud?

From: Pinky Vought
I am guessing that tiers would have to go up in order to use it?


Nope.

From: Pinky Vought
Is my situation worth this trouble of adding land to the group and then trying to get it back in the future easily should the need occur? Or, if I want to give it to a family member in the future?

Many thanks to anyone who wishes to tackle my questions.
Pinky


Yes. I think the ability to share land and control land as a group is a huge benefit. As is the tier bonus a group gets. Your group can own 563sqm of land, when just one group member (you in this case) pays for 512sqm of tier through her premium account.

All of that said, should you ever need to take land out of the group, you *MUST* read my notes on taking land from group to individual very carefully. Many, many people (even very experienced land barons like, oh, ME) have messed up and been tiered up to the next level by taking land out of the group.

You can avoid all of those problems by taking your time and using the steps in the original post, and reading what is on the screen before you. LL tells you when you don't have sufficient TIER for a transaction and they tell you that if you continue you will be tiered up. The problem is that human beings don't often read every word in front of them. I know I am as guilty as anyone of that!

Hope this helps.

- Skye
Pinky Vought
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12-09-2007 13:51
Thanks so much Skye! And thanks for the fast reply. I will save a copy of your instructions because I'll never remember it all. You answered all my questions and made it much clearer for me.

Thanks again,
Pinky
Suzi Phlox
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Island Question and a thank you
12-13-2007 09:44
Hi Skye...thank you for this excellent thread! My question:

I am about to purchase an Island. I want to share ownership of this island with my business partner. Neither one of us has owned any land before in SL. We are both premium members. Are the rules the same for islands as for mainland? How would deeding this land to our two person group differ...if at all?

Thank you,
Suzi
Sophie Katsu
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Posts: 124
02-01-2008 06:11
Hi Skye....thank you so much for helping others by posting and attending this thread. I have a question for you or anyone who may know about joining new land to group owned deeded land. I just want to make sure we don't mess something up and cause our deeded Shoutcast board to stop working.

Our club land is group owned, deeded to the group containing my husband and myself as owners and our staff, who are not owners or officers. The new land we just acquired is still just in my husband's name. He did not buy it for group but bought it as an individual. We want to join it to the club land. From what I understand from reading http://land-answers.wiki.zoho.com/How-do-I-join-and-split-land.html&pid=50045000000002015 ,it's impossible to join the two anyway unless my husband makes it group owned first, is that right? So he needs to deed the new land to the club group and then join the two parcels? Or does he just set it to group and join it if it lets him, by selecting the original land first and then the new land will take on all the settings (including being deeded?) of the original land? We are on not on mainland.

I know the answer should be obvious to me but I want to make sure we don't leave something important out.
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