Who made the OpenSpace decision...
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Set Serpentine
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11-04-2008 13:51
From what I understand from insiders it was a decision made by one Linden in the position to make a blanket decision and M. supported the decision.
But at the same time, certain residents who are romantically involved with Lindens , and own Island Sim(s), sold their sim(s) and moved to the mainland about a month ago so we know that certain people had a heads up.
M. may approve the decision because he is a corporate suit tool, but Jack made the decision.
So it is Jack who should be burning at the stake and not getting pats on the back.
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Porky Gorky
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11-04-2008 13:57
Who is patting Jack on the back? I think it is common knowledge that he is the instigator of OS price rises.
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Meade Paravane
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11-04-2008 13:58
From: Porky Gorky Who is patting Jack on the back? I think it is common knowledge that he is the instigator of OS price rises. Common speculation anyway..
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Alisha Matova
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11-04-2008 13:59
From: Set Serpentine
But at the same time, certain residents who are romantically involved with Lindens , and own Island Sim(s), sold their sim(s) and moved to the mainland about a month ago so we know that certain people had a heads up.
O RLY!
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Porky Gorky
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11-04-2008 13:59
From: Meade Paravane Common speculation anyway.. Yep, i stand corrected.
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Set Serpentine
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11-04-2008 14:02
From: Porky Gorky Who is patting Jack on the back? I think it is common knowledge that he is the instigator of OS price rises. You think it is common knowledge? From: Felix Oxide Well it is appropriate that M should be the one taking the heat since I am sure the order was handed down to Jack from him. Poor jack has been turned into public enemy #1 just for relaying the info to the community.
From: Ciaran Laval I like Jack, it's more M's distinct lack of comprehension on the issue that bothers me. I'd rather have a Linden who knows about the history of the product posting because both interviews I've read with M show an apparent lack of knowledge. From: Jim Hammerer I don't know that thats exactly true, I know he caught some hell from some folks, but the majority are pointing fingers at LL the company, not any individual to vent their displeasure on. Jack just happens to be in the line of fire. This thread says differently: /354/22/291075/1.html
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Meade Paravane
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11-04-2008 14:05
Set, I think the short answer is that we don't know, and probably never will _know_, what conversations took place.
It could be that Jack fought long & hard against this but was shot down. It could be that he came up with this idea, and all the nefarious subplots suggested by some around here, and sold it to his management. Or it could be something totally different or something in between.
I wouldn't wait for an answer as to who did what. They're probably not going to talk about that.
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Set Serpentine
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11-04-2008 14:07
From: Meade Paravane Set, I think the short answer is that we don't know, and probably never will _know_, what conversations took place.
It could be that Jack fought long & hard against this but was shot down. It could be that he came up with this idea, and the nefarious subplots suggested by many around here, and sold it to his management. Or it could be something totally different or something in between.
I wouldn't wait for an answer as to who did what. They're probably not going to talk about that. I do know. I trust my inside sources because they are "inside".
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Meade Paravane
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11-04-2008 14:13
Well, that's kindofa bombshell.
I guess I don't really care either way if a few people got advance notice but the drama factor that this adds is pretty big..
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Lindal Kidd
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11-04-2008 14:13
From: Set Serpentine I do know. I trust my inside sources because they are "inside". I just love people who make statements based on "inside information" that they then refuse to back up. Set, I don't care if you have The Word on two tablets of stone. If you can't or won't prove it, you're just another rumormonger.
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Anti Antonelli
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11-04-2008 14:13
My unfounded rumors and speculation can kick your unfounded rumors and speculation's asses! 
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Desmond Shang
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11-04-2008 14:13
"Captain of the ship" issue. The captain gets the big bucks and the authority - precisely to make the right decisions, to be accountable, to stand or fall by the results. I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm just calling it as I see it. Few expect absolute perfection from a captain, but they also don't expect the Exxon Valdez. My guess is that we shall understand the full impact of these interesting times by March or so.
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Set Serpentine
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11-04-2008 14:20
From: Lindal Kidd I just love people who make statements based on "inside information" that they then refuse to back up.
Set, I don't care if you have The Word on two tablets of stone. If you can't or won't prove it, you're just another rumormonger. I suppose i can say what Lindens told me what, and which Lindens are dating popular store owners who moved their stores back to the mainland because they knew the decision was coming but then that would put me out with my friends and cut off all future links to insider details. When people break stories, like reporters, sources cannot be revealed without destroying relationships. And you people paying an extra $50 a month on your OS is not worth my exposing people as exposing sources does no good but bring up more questions and create drama. The bottom line is that Jack is not "poor Jack", he is "Piss poor idea Jack, thanks alot". People should be happy that anyone is willing to break ranks and say what is floating about the FIC pool anyways.
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Isablan Neva
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11-04-2008 14:28
From: Anti Antonelli My unfounded rumors and speculation can kick your unfounded rumors and speculation's asses!  You know, we really need to come up with an official unfounded rumors and speculation drinking game for SL. Take one shot every time someone says "this is IT for SL, game over." Take one shot every time someone declares in high dudgeon that they are closing their account and leaving forever. Take one shot for every obvious coward alt account attack post. Take one shot for every "insider information" rumor. Take one shot for every "is SL about to be sold" rumor. Take one shot for every rumor about a major land baron selling off and cashing out after getting advance notice of a major policy change. Take one shot for every forum post from someone who thinks LL has specifically targeted them to destroy their business. Feel free to add your own!
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Lindal Kidd
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11-04-2008 14:30
Good idea, Isablan...but we'd all have to go to the AA meeting afterwards.
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Bee Mizser
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11-04-2008 14:31
Hmmm 4 posts and all on this thread...
I'm not going to get too involved in this OS issue, as I don't have and never had had any investment in OS land.
However whether or not Jack made the decision, you seemed to come onto the forum for the first time to shit stir. That makes you a troll.
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Briana Dawson
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11-04-2008 15:22
From: Bee Mizser However whether or not Jack made the decision, you seemed to come onto the forum for the first time to shit stir. That makes you a troll.
This post is no more a 'shit stir' post than any others freaking out about the OS issue. The only person labeling and name calling is you however, so i guess "it takes a troll to know a troll".
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11-04-2008 15:23
From: Set Serpentine Who made the OpenSpace decision... LL did. it makes no difference beyond that, since it's a team effort.
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Briana Dawson
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11-04-2008 15:24
From: Bee Mizser Hmmm 4 posts and all on this thread...
It is an October 2003 account with 4 posts. Of course it is an alt. Does not make it any less valid that someone wants to hide their identity when revealing stuff they know that they should not be revealing in public.
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Porky Gorky
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11-04-2008 15:28
I wasn't reffering to the forum. I mean't common knowledge amongst the poeple I associate with in world. I barely follow the OS forum threads but assumed it was the same here.
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Desmond Shang
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11-04-2008 16:06
Recognising the drama potential in this thread and regretting I said anything at all in it - but I'm not one to go back and ninja-edit my stuff unless it's a typo or suchlike. Unfounded tales won't help residents or Linden Research, and won't get anyone closer to good solutions. *vanishes from thread*
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11-04-2008 16:23
From: Isablan Neva You know, we really need to come up with an official unfounded rumors and speculation drinking game for SL. Take one shot every time someone says "this is IT for SL, game over." Take one shot every time someone declares in high dudgeon that they are closing their account and leaving forever. Take one shot for every obvious coward alt account attack post. Take one shot for every "insider information" rumor. Take one shot for every "is SL about to be sold" rumor. Take one shot for every rumor about a major land baron selling off and cashing out after getting advance notice of a major policy change. Take one shot for every forum post from someone who thinks LL has specifically targeted them to destroy their business.
Feel free to add your own! I think this has gotten most of it covered. Only problem I see is that we'd be too drunk to post anything after the first couple of threads. Come to think of it... might make for a quieter forum...
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11-04-2008 16:45
From: Lindal Kidd Good idea, Isablan...but we'd all have to go to the AA meeting afterwards. Contact me in-world. I'll send you a current meeting list. 
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Nina Stepford
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11-04-2008 21:33
in case it is lost on ppl, this openspace announcemet has brought all the non forum ppl out of the woodwork to voice their disgust. go look in that announcement thread at all the 1 and 2 post accounts piping up. the fact that a 5 year old av with little forum activity saw a desire to speak up says a lot by my thinking.
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11-05-2008 00:15
From: Nina Stepford in case it is lost on ppl, this openspace announcemet has brought all the non forum ppl out of the woodwork to voice their disgust. go look in that announcement thread at all the 1 and 2 post accounts piping up. the fact that a 5 year old av with little forum activity saw a desire to speak up says a lot by my thinking. And it has also brought a lot of unverified disposable alts into the woodwoork too I suspect, posting some big untruths for the sake of financial interests.
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