Explicit Adult Chat on Mainland? & Other Worries Re: Lax Adult Content Restrictions
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GG Deezul
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07-05-2009 10:34
Hi - Im new, and already I see there is a lot of discussion about child avitars, and has been for some time.
I am really enjoying the adult content, as an adult...
One thing that was strange, when I was at a sex venue, a child avitar came to me in a quiet area wanting sex. The person behind the avitar claimed to be 13 yrs old.
I don't know what the guidelines are on how to explain to a teen that they are not allowed when they have activly gone out looking. It was kinda wierd, since the kid knew where else to get it when I refused, but wouldnt tell.
Its an interesting delemma, and no doubt will go on for quiet some more time to come.... Kids will always find ways to become adult verified, and anyone can be anything in SL.
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Ian Nider
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07-05-2009 10:39
From: GG Deezul Hi - Im new, and already I see there is a lot of discussion about child avitars, and has been for some time.
I am really enjoying the adult content, as an adult...
One thing that was strange, when I was at a sex venue, a child avitar came to me in a quiet area wanting sex. The person behind the avitar claimed to be 13 yrs old.
I don't know what the guidelines are on how to explain to a teen that they are not allowed when they have activly gone out looking. It was kinda wierd, since the kid knew where else to get it when I refused, but wouldnt tell.
Its an interesting delemma, and no doubt will go on for quiet some more time to come.... Kids will always find ways to become adult verified, and anyone can be anything in SL. Who knows how old the r/l person was, it could have been an adult or a child looking for age play. You just don't know, you have to be age verified to get to adult rated lands and age play is against the ToS everywhere.
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-05-2009 10:40
From: GG Deezul One thing that was strange, when I was at a sex venue, a child avitar came to me in a quiet area wanting sex. The person behind the avitar claimed to be 13 yrs old.
Possibly a kid, a kink, or an agent provocateur. Just pull down "Help->Report Abuse..." on the main menu and fill out the form.
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Marianne McCann
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07-05-2009 11:24
From: GG Deezul One thing that was strange, when I was at a sex venue, a child avitar came to me in a quiet area wanting sex. The person behind the avitar claimed to be 13 yrs old. Help menu, "Report Abuse." From the drop down menu, "Age > Underage resident on Adult Second Life" Fill out the form. I would include whatever text you can where they admitted to being 13, as well as a screen shot of the incident if you can. As Argent said, this could have been a RL kid (including one who *wants* to get nailed for an age violation and sent to TSL - there's an exploit there), someone who is pretty sick and is involved in sexual ageplay, someone who is sick and is trying to "catch pedophiles," or someone who is otherwise doing some really weird stuff. Best bet, IMO, is to AR 'em.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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07-05-2009 11:27
 Is that one slower?
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Smith Peel
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07-05-2009 11:50
From: Fred W. Bush ...idiots in the Supreme Court which insist on protecting the rights of evil people everywhere! There are those who would say that attempting to control others by restricting their personal freedom and right to self-determination is clearly... evil. But I forgive you. 
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Jig Chippewa
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07-05-2009 12:12
From: Chris Norse Yeah, your time and donations make you feel good and have the net effect of 0 in solving real world problems. Besides your reply to Jannae was very personal.
I found the OP highly offensive, and free speech is about allowing him to spew even though I find it offensive. Actually, Chris, ONE example that I have accomplished THIS year is paying the fees for FOUR (FOUR) students at universities and that is a valid achievement and, unashamedly, does really make me feel "good". Each student has come from impoverished circumstances or has disadvantages (dyslexia, for example, or bulimia). I also work hard to raise awareness for single mothers, HIV and the gay/straight alliance. And that is time donated and money given. Please dont judge what I have done as having a "net effect of 0 in solving world problems" when you havent a clue about what I HAVE done. I never got to go to university coz I dont think I deserve to go. But don't judge people like me so flippantly. My persona in sl is definitely a "stupid tramp" (even in real I am not renowned for my longterm commitments in relationships) but I do "my bit" for society. I am sure you do yours also. So, yeah, I think I have helped solve FOUR peoples' REAL world problems. Now, let me get back to being "Jig". This week has been effing intense for me in real fighting exactly this kinda crap in my real world. I apologize to Jannae (and even you, I guess) but I also feel that "fringe moralists" have to be answered with "power-serves".
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Jig Chippewa
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07-05-2009 12:15
From: Chris Norse Just like the Indians came here from Asia and killed each other for many many years. Oh wow, you really ARE a ... read your description of yourself.
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Jig Chippewa
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07-05-2009 12:20
From: Chris Norse We wanted it and we took it. The world is a better place for it.
Want to talk about how new evidence is showing that the first Americans were Europeans following the seals along the ice pack? Okay. Now you are being offensive to me. I am part Cree and part Jamaican black and my European antecedents are Jewish. The first two sentences are uncalled for even in sl forums. In case of the second paragraph - no, Chris, NOT Europeans but possibly Asiatics. Sometimes I feel ashamed of my white genes when I read guff like that.
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Belle Loll
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07-05-2009 12:28
From: Jig Chippewa Actually, Chris, ONE example that I have accomplished THIS year is paying the fees for FOUR (FOUR) students at universities and that is a valid achievement and, unashamedly, does really make me feel "good". Each student has come from impoverished circumstances or has disadvantages (dyslexia, for example, or bulimia). I also work hard to raise awareness for single mothers, HIV and the gay/straight alliance. And that is time donated and money given. Please dont judge what I have done as having a "net effect of 0 in solving world problems" when you havent a clue about what I HAVE done. I never got to go to university coz I dont think I deserve to go. But don't judge people like me so flippantly. My persona in sl is definitely a "stupid tramp" (even in real I am not renowned for my longterm commitments in relationships) but I do "my bit" for society. I am sure you do yours also. So, yeah, I think I have helped solve FOUR peoples' REAL world problems. Now, let me get back to being "Jig". This week has been effing intense for me in real fighting exactly this kinda crap in my real world. I apologize to Jannae (and even you, I guess) but I also feel that "fringe moralists" have to be answered with "power-serves". Jig...I feel so bad for you sometimes. I feel you are a very deep person in RL and I'm guessing emotionally sensitive. And others see that in you too...hence they try and get a rise out of you. Even if it goes against things they believe in or their real opinions...they feel you are just to easy to going and cannot resist. All forums are like this in my opinion...there are just so many different types of people who post in forums for many types of reasons. Don't take it so personal...it is the nature of forums. One day you're the 'good' guy and the next you're the 'bad'. I try to never judge the real person behind the words they write here...they only write what they want you to preceive and that is not always the 'real' them. LOL...now I confused myself...not too hard to do at times  In short...you don't need to defend yourself here...to anyone. You seem like a very nice person and I hate to see forum behavior 'get' to you. As long as you believe in yourself, you never have to answer to anyone here.
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Jannae Karas
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07-05-2009 12:31
Quote: Originally Posted by Chris Norse Just like the Indians came here from Asia and killed each other for many many years. From: Jig Chippewa Oh wow, you really ARE a ... read your description of yourself. Yup, that's my Chris. Calls 'em like he sees 'em. Not always purty, but true to his heritage.
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-05-2009 12:34
From: Belle Loll I try to never judge the real person behind the words they write here...they only write what they want you to preceive and that is not always the 'real' them. 
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Belle Loll
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07-05-2009 12:36
I hope the sock was clean 
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Qie Niangao
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07-05-2009 12:52
The OP seeks to control only offensive speech in non-Adult regions. This is treating the symptom. Linden Lab must have greater technological ambition. Here at the MIT Ventromedial Lab, we are perfecting the technology to detect not mere offensive speech, but rather impure thoughts. Soon, Second Lifers will be able to enjoy a More Predictable Experience™ on the grid by simply connecting a peripheral device that detects unwholesome ideation. By monitoring evoked potentials from neurons in the brain's limbic system, the KAPOR ("Keeping America Pure for Other Realities"  is worn like a baseball cap and will be modestly priced in mass quantities. After KAPOR is adopted as a required part of the Second Life login experience, desirable SL residents can be assured of encountering only those others who share True political, religious, and sexual ideas. Employing only the KAPOR technology, however, would exclude many paying customers who are prime candidates for rehabilitation. We are already addressing that challenge with a device for assisting those who suffer from wrong thinking. The MIT Cognition Helper (MITCH) is now in prototype; expect demo videos on blogs.secondlife.com Real Soon Now.
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Belle Loll
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07-05-2009 13:09
From: Qie Niangao By monitoring evoked potentials from neurons in the brain's limbic system, the KAPOR ("Keeping America Pure for Other Realities"  is worn like a baseball cap and will be modestly priced in mass quantities. Well you won't get my money if it doesn't come in pink and have a propeller on it!!!
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Derbor Torok
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07-05-2009 13:17
From: Fred Hegel Why so many opponents to my beliefs? Am I the only one who would rather not casually encounter explicit language on the mainland? Common, I know you're out there supporters, let's hear your voice! No, you are probably not.. there are more cretins out there.. .d
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Ian Nider
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07-05-2009 13:38
I think the op is missing the difference between personal offense and a crime.
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Derbor Torok
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07-05-2009 13:52
From: Qie Niangao The OP seeks to control only offensive speech in non-Adult regions. This is treating the symptom. Linden Lab must have greater technological ambition. Here at the MIT Ventromedial Lab, we are perfecting the technology to detect not mere offensive speech, but rather impure thoughts. Soon, Second Lifers will be able to enjoy a More Predictable Experience™ on the grid by simply connecting a peripheral device that detects unwholesome ideation. By monitoring evoked potentials from neurons in the brain's limbic system, the KAPOR ("Keeping America Pure for Other Realities"  is worn like a baseball cap and will be modestly priced in mass quantities. After KAPOR is adopted as a required part of the Second Life login experience, desirable SL residents can be assured of encountering only those others who share True political, religious, and sexual ideas. Employing only the KAPOR technology, however, would exclude many paying customers who are prime candidates for rehabilitation. We are already addressing that challenge with a device for assisting those who suffer from wrong thinking. The MIT Cognition Helper (MITCH) is now in prototype; expect demo videos on blogs.secondlife.com Real Soon Now. ... filling my application now. I want to do my part to keep the World pure. Thank you for bringing this to my attention Qie. .d
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Feldspar Millgrove
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07-05-2009 14:05
From: Fred Hegel With the adult restrictions coming into effect on the mainland my question is: will explicit adult chat be censored or punishable on the mainland? The latest CS document says that adult "content, activity, or communication" is not allowed anywhere on Mainland (except Zindra), and obviously that includes chat and voice content. LL does keep a record of everything you type, and could thereby monitor (in real time or retroactively) your chat and enforce their rules, but I doubt that they will bother to do so. At least at this stage of the game. However, some other resident who hears you could AR you, and there would be a log to back them up. I don't know if all Voice channels are recorded by LL. I assume that IMs are allowed to be adult, since they are not "on the mainland". What "punishments" LL can perform against you are a whole 'nother topic, but a first guess would be the termination of your access to Second Life.
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Har Fairweather
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07-05-2009 14:08
From: Qie Niangao The OP seeks to control only offensive speech in non-Adult regions. This is treating the symptom. Linden Lab must have greater technological ambition. Here at the MIT Ventromedial Lab, we are perfecting the technology to detect not mere offensive speech, but rather impure thoughts. Soon, Second Lifers will be able to enjoy a More Predictable Experience™ on the grid by simply connecting a peripheral device that detects unwholesome ideation. By monitoring evoked potentials from neurons in the brain's limbic system, the KAPOR ("Keeping America Pure for Other Realities"  is worn like a baseball cap and will be modestly priced in mass quantities. After KAPOR is adopted as a required part of the Second Life login experience, desirable SL residents can be assured of encountering only those others who share True political, religious, and sexual ideas. Employing only the KAPOR technology, however, would exclude many paying customers who are prime candidates for rehabilitation. We are already addressing that challenge with a device for assisting those who suffer from wrong thinking. The MIT Cognition Helper (MITCH) is now in prototype; expect demo videos on blogs.secondlife.com Real Soon Now. Important update: Since persons such as the OP will naturally be suspicious of the efficacy of rehabilitation and the difficulty of verifying whether a person claiming to be rehabilitated is in fact rehabilitated (especially in light of the difficulties encountered with simple age verification), an alternative technology is being developed. This technology, called Zero Antimorality Possible, or ZAP, attaches a thick electrical cable to the hat drawing on current from the nearest available high-voltage transmission line. It is triggered by an impure thought and immediately cooks the brain involved. SLers should notify their next of kin or any others who will be responsible for the remains that cooked brains go well with scrambled eggs and, since they are bland in flavor, suggest adding a dash of worcestershire sauce for piquancy. SL believes this added technology goes far toward satisfying the evident needs and wants of the OP and like-minded parties, so early adoption of it by such parties is highly recommended.
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Feldspar Millgrove
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07-05-2009 14:20
From: Chris Norse We wanted it and we took it. The world is a better place for it. I wonder about your opinion on at least two counts. First, how is it that you can tell us what the entire history of the world would have been, had the relationships between the Europeans and the American natives been different? Second, is it your general opinion that people should simply take by force whatever they want and destroy whatever people are in their way, or is that just if the victims are not white? From: Chris Norse Want to talk about how new evidence is showing that the first Americans were Europeans following the seals along the ice pack? I think if you were to study the science of the peopling of the Americas in more detail, you might reach a different conclusion about that particular theory. However, I think it would be best to find another forum for these particular discussions; I don't see how either of these first-life topics is relevant to Resident Answers.
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Feldspar Millgrove
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07-05-2009 14:25
From: Fred Hegel I believe LL should put in place a chat and IM filter restricting such language. If you are receiving offensive IMs, then you should Mute the person and report them Filters don't work: they are incapable of preventing offensive language; the technology doesn't exist. You'll have to file an AR on each incident of offensive speech that you encounter. Offensive speech has always been ARable, by the way; this part is nothing new. The new thing is "adult" speech.
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Jig Chippewa
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07-05-2009 14:31
From: Belle Loll Jig...I feel so bad for you sometimes. I feel you are a very deep person in RL and I'm guessing emotionally sensitive. And others see that in you too...hence they try and get a rise out of you. Even if it goes against things they believe in or their real opinions...they feel you are just to easy to going and cannot resist. All forums are like this in my opinion...there are just so many different types of people who post in forums for many types of reasons. Don't take it so personal...it is the nature of forums. One day you're the 'good' guy and the next you're the 'bad'. I try to never judge the real person behind the words they write here...they only write what they want you to preceive and that is not always the 'real' them. LOL...now I confused myself...not too hard to do at times  In short...you don't need to defend yourself here...to anyone. You seem like a very nice person and I hate to see forum behavior 'get' to you. As long as you believe in yourself, you never have to answer to anyone here. Thanks for your concern  I agree, I do take it personally. The trouble is things like forums are read EVERYWHERE and disseminate opinions that can be very dangerous and devious. It seems an odd habit to state one thing in a forum and be another person in real. Most people who read these threads for information or ideas must really come away from here shaking their heads at bigotry that is openly displayed.
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Brenda Connolly
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07-05-2009 14:39
From: Argent Stonecutter If you open it up in Preview.app you can browse the frames in the drawer. I have no idea what that means. *Suezanne's seems a bit slower, thanks.
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-05-2009 14:53
From: Brenda Connolly I have no idea what that means. I guess it means you don't have a Mac. 
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